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That has nothing to do with what I wrote. Of course I was referring to us loving our enemies. Now with that clarification, please reply to the post. Thanks.
Saint Steven said: ↑
Why not?
Does he not require that we love our enemies? But you claim that he will incinerate his enemies? And what of those countless billions that have never so much as heard the name of Jesus? Consigned to eternal torment with no hope of escape?
No one incinerates themselves, except maybe a suicide bomber. You are claiming that God carefully (with malice and considerable forethought) created a most cruel and heartless future for the majority of humankind. A crime worse against humanity that is a thousand times worse than anything humankind has ever committed against their own kind.You just can't get it, they incinerate themselves through rebellion.
Those who have never heard the Gospel have no excuse, all men are born with a conscience of God, what they did with that small amount of knowledge will determine their fate. Rom. 2:12-16
No one incinerates themselves, except maybe a suicide bomber. You are claiming that God carefully (with malice and considerable forethought) created a most cruel and heartless future for the majority of humankind. A crime worse against humanity that is a thousand times worse than anything humankind has ever committed against their own kind.
Even humankind has laws against cruel and unusual punishment. And correctional facilities are intended for that purpose, to correct the behavior. What is the purpose of hell? Two minutes in a place like that with the threat of possible return would be enough to correct any behavior.
But you claim it will be for all eternity with no hope of escape. And that seems peachy keen with you. After all, you figure they had it coming. (and so did you, right?)
Your second paragraph actually aligns with UR somewhat. And this is the scripture you were looking for. An afterlife determined by judgment/testing/correcting of works.
Romans 2:14-16
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
God didn't create the fall, sin or satan so God gets the free pass, not man.No one incinerates themselves, except maybe a suicide bomber. You are claiming that God carefully (with malice and considerable forethought) created a most cruel and heartless future for the majority of humankind. A crime worse against humanity that is a thousand times worse than anything humankind has ever committed against their own kind.
Even humankind has laws against cruel and unusual punishment. And correctional facilities are intended for that purpose, to correct the behavior. What is the purpose of hell? Two minutes in a place like that with the threat of possible return would be enough to correct any behavior.
But you claim it will be for all eternity with no hope of escape. And that seems peachy keen with you. After all, you figure they had it coming. (and so did you, right?)
Your second paragraph actually aligns with UR somewhat. And this is the scripture you were looking for. An afterlife determined by judgment/testing/correcting of works.
Romans 2:14-16
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
The Bible tells us who the last two to go in are. Do you recall who goes in last, and what that means about hell?The scripture tells us several times that folks are cast into hell, but not one time does it say they are set free from hell.
When you find that verse we can talk about it.
Didn't you say correctly earlier that there is no sin where there is no commandment? Maybe that was someone else.God didn't create the fall, sin or satan so God gets the free pass, not man.
man gets what he deserves since he hates God by nature and love sin.
God didn't create Satan? Who did?God didn't create the fall, sin or satan
They complain about us taking verses out of context.It means they won't enter into His rest until He relents, when He's good and ready. Because He is a gracious God of love, who relents from full punishment and shows mercy. Praise His holy name.
Rather than question the doctrines that assassinate God's character, they are supported by adding this insult that claims God is a cosmic tyrant with uncontrollable anger. As if he is an ogre that no one dares to question for fear of being incinerated. Is that the definition of our loving heavenly Father or something else? (I go with the latter)A handful of clay telling the potter what is acceptable and what's not!
A deliberate misrepresentation of anything taught by those who show that UR is not scriptural.Saint Steven said:Rather than question the doctrines that assassinate God's character, they are supported by adding this insult that claims God is a cosmic tyrant with uncontrollable anger. As if he is an ogre that no one dares to question for fear of being incinerated. Is that the definition of our loving heavenly Father or something else? (I go with the latter)
Rather than question the doctrines that assassinate God's character, they are supported by adding this insult that claims God is a cosmic tyrant with uncontrollable anger. As if he is an ogre that no one dares to question for fear of being incinerated. Is that the definition of our loving heavenly Father or something else? (I go with the latter)
God did not put a time limit on "Shall not enter my rest." God did not say "Shall not enter my rest until..."Saint Steven said:They complain about us taking verses out of context.
harlie24 said: ↑
God also swore an oath that "they shall not enter into my rest." Heb. 3:11, referring to the Hebrews in the wilderness who rebelled against God for 40 years.
What do you suppose that means?
Oh goody we get to play 30 questions.Saint Steven said:The Bible tells us who the last two to go in are. Do you recall who goes in last, and what that means about hell?
Lucifer, of course.who was satan before he fell ?
I thought you were claiming that we would be joining those in hell. Due to our supposed damnable heretical beliefs.I suppose when you see that hell releases no one, you along with SM will refuse to spend eternity with that cosmic tyrant you described.
I thought you were claiming that we would be joining those in hell. Due to our supposed damnable heretical beliefs.
You can't seriously be claiming that a person's position on the final judgment is a salvation issue. Can you?According to our conversations past and present you and SM have chosen that route.
Let's make it clear, YOU have chosen that route, not the cosmic tyrant you keep addressing.
God created him perfect- without sin just like adam.Lucifer, of course.
Are you going to claim that because he fell that he sudden was no longer God's creation?
Adam and Eve fell. (obviously) Were they then no longer God's creation? Along with ALL their ancestors? (including us)
Saint Steven said: ↑
God didn't create Satan? Who did?
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