The 7000-Year Theory

the only reason this creation question is in this thread is to determine the validity of the 7000 year theory. I'm for sticking with Peter and his distant past (ekpalai) vs the more recent 'sunestosa' of the earth. From that point on you might have a point.

The reason for refering to the symmetry and poetic balance of Gen 1 (unformed becomes formed; unfilled is filled) is to establish whether that is the point of the text rather than apparent scientific data.

juleamager said:

.... For example, we crossbreed cats and dogs.

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Not with each other! -Go learn some facts of life.

yeshuasavedme said:

Not with each other! -Go learn some facts of life.

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Why don't you tell everyone what you think about Serpent Seed?

juleamager said:

...what? I don't see any boundary in that text, whether figuratively or literally read. It's well known that species mix and have been crossed, it's how we got every species that exists. For example, we crossbreed cats and dogs.

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the dodo evolved, but it wasn't Darwinian evolution; it probably started out as a petrel or pigeon, and ended up as 'fat-bottom'; do'darsen.. in the dutch.. died out because of pigs.

there are sub-species; the lesser black backed gull is a sub-species of herring gull; depends on the distribution.

yeshuasavedme said:

Not with each other! -Go learn some facts of life.

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Fail. My point is that we breed one 'kind' of feline with another, as we breed one 'kind' of canine with another.

But, since you don't believe me, ever hear about the breeding of a lion and a tiger to create a liger? There are many different kinds of hybrid animals. Modern humans even may be such, a cross between cro-magons and neanderthals. Shocking, I know.

juleamager said:

Fail. My point is that we breed one 'kind' of feline with another, as we breed one 'kind' of canine with another.

But, since you don't believe me, ever hear about the breeding of a lion and a tiger to create a liger? There are many different kinds of hybrid animals. Modern humans even may be such, a cross between cro-magons and neanderthals. Shocking, I know.

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Neanderthals [so called[ are Adam beings descended from Noah, and even Darwin's skull fit the neanderthal type.
All canine kinds are one kind named "kolav" by Adam, which means "all heart"...
If it can breed naturally, then it is one created kind; and if it, by breeding naturally, has been reduced in sizes or increased in sizes in different environments, and therefore not possible to breed because of size difference, then it can be bred naturally back to the original size and can breed. For instance; the sea-horse of 12" in certain ocean areas cannot breed with the tiny sea horses almost microscopic -I think they are down to microscopic almost in areas... but that is only because of natural size differences naturally caused over time. They are still the same kind.

so are there reasons to think that there is a vast amount of time before Gen 1, and then the 7000 year theory has a point?

Variation within species, yes; however strict limits to variation that are never crossed (Micro evol.). Big changes, ie, Macro evol., doesn't happen + Gen.1 account = Devolution = less than 7,000 years.

shturt678 said:

Variation within species, yes; however strict limits to variation that are never crossed (Micro evol.). Big changes, ie, Macro evol., doesn't happen + Gen.1 account = Devolution = less than 7,000 years.

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What are the strict genomic lines that are never crossed? Please provide specific evidences and examples, preferably to NCBI databases.

I'd love to know the biochemical mechanism involved in preventing these lines from being crossed. It'd make my career and possibly win me a Nobel prize.

Interplanner said:

the only reason this creation question is in this thread is to determine the validity of the 7000 year theory. I'm for sticking with Peter and his distant past (ekpalai) vs the more recent 'sunestosa' of the earth. From that point on you might have a point.

The reason for refering to the symmetry and poetic balance of Gen 1 (unformed becomes formed; unfilled is filled) is to establish whether that is the point of the text rather than apparent scientific data.

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I believe in a 7000 years period but I also believe the Earth is millions and millions of years old.

Frankly, I find it silly that somebody would deny that the earth is millions of years old.

You don't find seashells on the tops of the highest mountain because birds carried them up there.

There are seashells and bones on the roof of the world because it used to be the sea floor.

kellhus said:

What are the strict genomic lines that are never crossed? Please provide specific evidences and examples, preferably to NCBI databases.

I'd love to know the biochemical mechanism involved in preventing these lines from being crossed. It'd make my career and possibly win me a Nobel prize.

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Duh!

HannibalFlavius said:

There are seashells and bones on the roof of the world because it used to be the sea floor.

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Only when the ocean covered the mountains to the height of 15 cubits in the flood of Noah; and then the mountains rose up and the valleys sank down when the LORD divided the one land mass over time and scattered the tribes over it and divided them by tongues and then, kept them apart by the divided land mass into continents separated by the waters and on isolated islands...so as to keep man from doing whatever evil thing his heart imagined -until His plan was fulfilled for this creation.

-and on the 7,000 year week of milleniums and the beginning of creation: read Genesis 1....there was no heavens stretched out from earth until day 2 of creation week of seven ordinary evenings/night and mornings/day =one Day each.

The light was stretched out with the heavens on day 2, and the heavens were not even named until the firmament was stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters on day 2.
Nothing "out there" existed until day 2, and only then were the heavens stretched out in storied layers. The face of the heavens is where the birds fly. The third heaven is where Paradise was prepared for Adam, the created human being firstborn son of God and the "god -little "g"- of earth was to rule over the creation from. The throne of the Son of Man was prepared in Mount Eden above, where Adam was taken to rule from and to procreated from so as to beget the seed/stones of human being persons to build the City of God up for the Glory to indwell----but he failed to do that, and God knew it from the beginning and prepared a second human being Son of God flesh body and put that flesh on like a garment is donned so as to be the Kinsman/Redeemer for the lost seed/stones to build up Zion of the heavenly realm for the Glory to indwell.

In Eden above, in the third heaven, there is the throne prepared for the Son of Man.
Christ now come in flesh is the Son of Man in heaven in whose exact bodily image [to come] Adam was made [Romans 5:14], and who has come in flesh to be the Redeemer/Kinsman of the Adam seed and to ransom the "sold into slavery to corruption" Adam kingdom.

There was nothing before this present creation -which is near the seventh millennium and which seventh must begin with the "spiritual" night of dark before the Light of the Glory of the Son of Man in Christ come in flesh appears to reign from Jerusalem below and Jerusalem/Mount Zion above for the millennial "Day".

yeshuasavedme said:

Duh!

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Well, I would. If I could write a paper explaining these previously unknown barriers to evolution, I'd have journals competing for my manuscripts and become a household name.

kellhus said:

Well, I would. If I could write a paper explaining these previously unknown barriers to evolution, I'd have journals competing for my manuscripts and become a household name.

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Duh, again!
The barriers to mixing kinds are known. It cannot be done, and you can go read all about it for yourself, but begin in Genesis, when God set the boundaries for the seed to multiply after "its kind".

Mixing of kinds can be done only by gene splicing, which Enoch wrot ethe fallen angels taught Adam-kind to do, and so monsters were made and giants were born before the flood, and also after that -more angels fell and the demons teach men how to do the unlawful acts to mix kinds.
We see chimera in history: mixtures of man, beast, fowl, and fish.
Men isnpired by demons are doing the same today -mixing kinds, and provoking God by it, for He commanded no mixing of kinds and set the boundaries in the kinds, themselves.

we see a lion -el mixture of kinds in 2 Samuel and in 1 Chronicles.
2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל/ lion-el of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1Ch 11:22 ¶ Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two ארי אל/ lion-el men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day.

yeshuasavedme said:

Duh, again!
The barriers to mixing kinds are known. It cannot be done, and you can go read all about it for yourself, but begin in Genesis, when God set the boundaries for the seed to multiply after "its kind".

Mixing of kinds can be done only by gene splicing, which Enoch wrot ethe fallen angels taught Adam-kind to do, and so monsters were made and giants were born before the flood, and also after that -more angels fell and the demons teach men how to do the unlawful acts to mix kinds.
We see chimera in history: mixtures of man, beast, fowl, and fish.
Men isnpired by demons are doing the same today -mixing kinds, and provoking God by it, for He commanded no mixing of kinds and set the boundaries in the kinds, themselves.

we see a lion -el mixture of kinds in 2 Samuel and in 1 Chronicles.
2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ??? ??/ lion-el of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1Ch 11:22 ¶ Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two ??? ??/ lion-el men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day.

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Great, what is the biochemical mechanism that constitutes this "barrier". What are some genomic examples of an impossible mutation?

kellhus said:

Great, what is the biochemical mechanism that constitutes this "barrier". What are some genomic examples of an impossible mutation?

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It has all been written and all you need do is search for yourself.

yeshuasavedme said:

It has all been written and all you need do is search for yourself.

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I'm not going to do your homework for you. I'm going to assume this means you yourself know it doesn't exist.

kellhus said:

I'm not going to do your homework for you. I'm going to assume this means you yourself know it doesn't exist.

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DUH!
It means that it is already out there in the scientific world that no natural crossing of the kinds can occur by any observation and for reasons of the physical properties of the kinds; and to mix kinds, genes must be split in laboratories, which is what the fallen angels taught before the flood...

Really, it is you who needs to go get an education, and I am not falling for your trap to try to look up a lot of info that has already been discovered and that is going on in labs even today to present to you just so as to satisfy your unbelieving, skeptical, mocking heart -which is not even truthful in your claims to want to know, anyway!
PS: you falsely claimed you would write a paper if you got the info, then asked me to do your paper for you! -Tut-Tut! You are not honest, so I will not even bother to argue with you, since you have no heart for your own self seeking truth.

yeshuasavedme said:

DUH!
It means that it is already out there in the scientific world that no natural crossing of the kinds can occur

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How? Do you even know what the word "how" means? How is there a magical prevention of "kinds" from crossing? And what the heck is a "kind"? A genus? An order? A family? A phylum? Are you just making this stuff up as you go?