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The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world

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They are wearing white robes like the SOULS of The Early Christians martyrs mentioned at The 5TH Seal Revelation 6:9-11 ---> who say that many more martyrs will occurs before that God decide to avenge their BLOOD....

The group of martyrs have grown over the years to --millions of martyrs -- a multitude to large to number one by one.

Revelation 7:14-17
It is said that they will not be hungry or be thirsty anymore ---->this imply that they have suffered ----they came out of great tribulation ....When they DIED their SOUL have ascended to Heaven ..and God shall wipe away every tears from their eyes.
 
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Seal 1 The conquest of the Gospel still in action
the white horse of Jesus is in heaven

But the white horse of antichrist is on earth conquering nations with Peace Deal : Dan 8:25 .....and by peace shall destroy many

There is no way Jesus is depicted holding a bow and to conquer nations.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
 
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The Fifth Seal is proof that the first 5 were opened in the first century.
The martyrs since Stephen of the early church would hv been resurrected and raptured to heaven (the great multitude) when Jesus appears on the cloud. They will be the great multitude and THEY SURELY ARE NOT PLACED UNDER THE ALTAR.
1 Thes 4:16 ...and the dead in Christ will rise first (early church and early martyrs)

When the 5th seal is opened after the rapture Bible will be banned all over the world, churches will be ambushed and christians will be killed if they insist to hold on to their faith in Jesus and refuse to worship the beast and its mark. So this will be a global genocide of christians whose souls will be put under the Altar.
 
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The martyrs since Stephen of the early church would hv been resurrected and raptured to heaven (the great multitude) when Jesus appears on the cloud. They will be the great multitude and THEY SURELY ARE NOT PLACED UNDER THE ALTAR.
Revelation 6:9-10...and I saw beneath the Altar the souls of those who had been killed....
There is no resurrection or rapture of anyone before Jesus Returns.

The great multitude of Revelation 7:9, are all the faithful Christian people, all those who stood firm in their faith and called out to the Lord for His protection on the Day of wrath. Acts 2:21
 
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There is no resurrection or rapture of anyone before Jesus Returns.
Are you saying those saints raised to the clouds will make a U Turn to earth when Jesus returns ? and not taken as The Great Multitude to the Throne ?

1 Thes 4:17 After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Rev 7:14 .....These are they which came out of great tribulation.
This verse shows while the great multitude is in heaven there happens the great tribulation on this earth.
 
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the white horse of Jesus is in heaven
The Gospel begin when Jesus was on the Earth...and was carried by the 12 Apostles after Jesus' death .

Note that the one who sat on the white horse conquer with a bow ---->but no arrow ...that is a spiritual conquest.

That match with the conquest of the Gospel preached in the whole World that Jesus talk about in Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.

Revelation 6:1-2
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, Come.

2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer.

The white color in the Bible refer to purity ...

Revelation 19
8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, white [and] pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Can you see a clue in Revelation 19:8 ?

ARRAYED in fine linen WHITE and PURE is the RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the SAINTS.
They have been slain for their testimony of Jesus and the Word of God.... They are wearing WHITE ROBES LIKE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SLAIN MENTIONED AT THE 5 TH SEAL.

Jesus will marry a wife who have proved her fidelity and total loyalty even unto facing being slain for keeping His Testimony [The Gospel] ---->the RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the SAINTS
 
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Note that the one who sat on the white horse conquer with a bow ---->but no arrow ...that is a spiritual conquest.
Jesus never wore a crown and conquer nations with Gospel.

Your explanation is right that a bow without arrow is a spiritual conquest but its the antichrist who will conquer the world with peace deals.
Dan 8:25 .....and by peace shall destroy many
 
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Jesus never wore a crown and conquer nations with Gospel.

Your explanation is right that a bow without arrow is a spiritual conquest but its the antichrist who will conquer the world with peace deals.
Dan 8:25 .....and by peace shall destroy many
Daniel 8:25 [Little Horn] refers to the 42 months reign of the Beast [Revelation 13] ....not about the first seal .

25 And through his policy he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and in [their] security shall he destroy many: he shall also stand up against the prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


-As I have said earlier the AC will bring peace and prosperity for all those who will take the mark and who will worship him ---->while those who will refuse to take the mark and who will refuse to worship him will be killed during his 42 months of reign Revelation 13:3-5.

The reference to: and in [their] security shall he destroy many refers also to the spiritual [and physical] destruction of those who will take the mark and who will worship him or his image ...who are condemned to end into the lake of fire at the GWT...to be slain by Jesus at His Coming .
Revelation 14:9-12
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.
 
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Daniel 8:25 [Little Horn]
-As I have said earlier the AC will bring peace and prosperity for all those who will take the mark and who will worship him
AC will be empowered to make peace by the 1st seal opening which is the final 70th week of Daniel, the 7 years grief tribulation.
Jesus horse is in heaven as i hv explained while antichrist horse is on earth conquering the world with peace deals.
 
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AC will be empowered to make peace by the 1st seal opening which is the final 70th week of Daniel, the 7 years grief tribulation.
Jesus horse is in heaven as i hv explained while antichrist horse is on earth conquering the world with peace deals.
The Antichrist/The Beast [Angel Abaddon Revelation 9:11] will use his army of supernatural creatures to kill 1/3 of humanity [Revelation 9:11-21]...

When 1/3 of humanity will have been killed by the little critters of the angel of the Bottomless Pit [Revelation 9:11] ...Satan will appear with his angels to empowering the Beast [Angel Abaddon] [Revelation 13:3-5] they will present themselves as savior of humanity ....and will bring peace and prosperity for all those who will take the mark and will worship the Beast AC Revelation 17:8 ...Revelation 13:3-5

Nobody on Earth will know that the one that they will worship is the immortal Angel Abaddon who have ascendeth out of the Bottomless Pit [Revelation 17:8].[The head wounded AS IF wounded to death Revelation 13:3-5]

Action [kill 1/3 of humanity with the supernatural creatures Revelation 9:11-21]
Reaction [turmoil upon the earth.]
Solution.....a false savior...who will bring peace and prosperity for all those taking the mark Daniel 8:25 --- Revelation 13.
 
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The gathering that will happen at the Return of Jesus, is a transportation to where He is. Firstly in the clouds, then to Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31 tells it.

Revelation 7:9-14 is about the faithful people who have survived the Sixth Seal disaster, you are adding to scripture to say they are in heaven. And to think they go to heaven before this test of faith, is just false teaching.
 
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People will mourn when they see Jesus in the clouds gathering the saints to heaven (the great multitude) because the world will be left behind.

The test of faith is in our daily lives right now.
 
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People will mourn when they see Jesus in the clouds gathering the saints to heaven (the great multitude) because the world will be left behind.

The test of faith is in our daily lives right now.
If you read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 attentively you will notice that there is no mention that Jesus will return to Heaven with someone...--->Jesus will not make a U-Turn to return to Heaven.

The text is talking about Jesus who will descend from Heaven with those who SLEEP IN JESUS verse 14 [DEAD BELIEVERS WHOSE SOULS ARE IN HEAVEN] to be resurrected here on the Earth.
-->Then the believers still alive and REMAIN will be caught up together with the resurrected believers to meet Jesus in the CLOUDS IN THE AIR to WHERE Jesus will be AT HIS COMING ..IE over the valley of Meggido ...

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

13 But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that fall asleep; that ye sorrow not, even as the rest, who have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep in Jesus will God BRING with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, and REMAIN UNTO THE COMING of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall DESCEND from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD in Christ shall rise first; 17 then we that are ALIVE, and REMAIN, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The test of faith is in our daily lives right now.
The test of faith during the last 42 months who will precede the Coming of Jesus will be far more harder than that for all the Christians who will have the misfortune to be alive on the Earth ...

The test of faith will goes like this Revelation 14:9-15....

[ don't expect that you will be raptured to Heaven to avoid -that test of faith- if you have the misfortune to be alive during those times ]...


Revelation 14:9-15
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.

14 And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud [I saw] one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out from the temple, crying with a great voice to him that sat on the cloud, Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

Jesus in verse 15 is preparing to harvest the SOULS of the Christians who will be beheaded during the 42 months Reign of the Beast ie--->Those who will refuse the mark of the beast...and who will refuse to worship the Beast and his image

They are seen arriving in Heaven in Revelation 15:2 Standing on the Sea of Glass.

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and them that come off victorious from the beast, and from his image, and from the number of his name, standing by the sea of glass, having harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, O Lord God, the Almighty; righteous and true are thy ways, thou King of the ages.
 
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to meet Jesus in the CLOUDS IN THE AIR to WHERE Jesus will be AT HIS COMING ..IE over the valley of Meggido ...
Jesus will be seen all around the world, not on Megido.
Matt 24:30....and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

The saints are taken to the Throne (the great multitude).
 
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What makes you so sure that the great multitude seen in Heaven wearing white robes have been taken to Heaven while they were alive, rather that being the SOULS of DEAD believers wearing white robes like those mentioned at the 5TH SEAL Revelation 6:9-11 ?

There is nothing in Revelation 7:9-16 mentioning that a group of people was caught up to Heaven while they were alive...

Jesus himself said to the 12 Apostles that where He will go [making reference to Heaven] they cannot go there with their physical body... because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

John 13:36
Simon Peter says to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered him, "Where I go, you are not able to follow Me now, but you will follow afterward."

But you will follow Afterward mean that when they will die their SOUL will ascend to Heaven.....by the way the 12 Apostles have all died martyrs ----->they are part of the early Christians MARTYRS whose SOULS were SEEN BY JOHN at the 5 TH SEAL Revelation 6:9-11

Question:
what makes you so sure that you are more worthy than the 12 Apostles to avoid the same kind of tribulation that they were submitted in their times, .....if the End Times Tribulation is to happen tomorrow ?
 
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Those souls under the altar were beheaded in the tribulation for refusing to worship the beast but the great multitutde are not under the Altar, Rev 7:14 "these are they which came out of great tribulation,"
and they hv physical bodies : 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more;
 
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