The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world

R. Hartono · Feb 21, 2018

Have we seen a global financial crisis where a labour's day wage can only afford to buy
a quart (0.95 liters) of wheat ?

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A quart of wheat for a denar, and three quarts of barley for a denar.

A quart of wheat is the minimum amount to survive daily for a man.

How would people live if they can only buy a loaf of bread with their one day wage ?
How about paying the other expenses of living ? clothing, water, electricity, gas,
medicine, doctor, fuel, etc.

THERE WILL BE NO MORE MR. JOSEPH GATHERING AND PREPARING PEOPLE TO FACE THE FAMINE OF THE 7 YEARS TRIBULATION.
Gen 41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt
49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea
56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth:

Famine happened since the ancient time of Joseph in Egypt until our modern times, but we havent seen a global financial crisis which causes a global famine covering the whole globe, even the WW1 and WW2 didnt destroyed America and Australia where people live there with enough supplies of food.

Currently, we can buy all the food we want in the market as long as we have the money, foodstuff is abundant and relatively affordable in most nations of the world, the 3rd Seal obviously has not been opened. The world still enjoy the last plentiful of years.

THE OPENING OF THE 3RD SEAL WILL START THE FINANCIAL CRISIS WHICH WILL TRIGGER THE FAMINE IN THE FINAL 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL WHICH IS THE FINAL WEEK/7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION, THE LAST 7 YEARS OF BRUTAL CIVILIZATION OF MANKIND.

However the raptured believers will not be hungry or thirsty anymore when this happens :
Rev 7:14...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

ITS RAPTURED OR RUPTURED !

BABerean2 · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
However the raptured saints will not be hungry or thirsty anymore when this happens :
Rev 7:14...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

You cannot come out of a room, unless you have been in the room.
Therefore, those which came out of great tribulation were in it at some point in time.
The proof is found below.

A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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R. Hartono · Feb 21, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death..

The great multitude were taken alive to the Throne, lets wait for God to come and fulfill, lets see who will be embarassed when Jesus comes to take the bride to the feast of the Lamb. The foolish virgins will be left.

Revealing Times · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
The great multitude were taken alive to the Throne, lets wait for God to come and fulfill, lets see who will be embarassed when Jesus comes to take the bride to the feast of the Lamb. The foolish virgins will be left.

Since the Seals are Broken in the Middle of the Week how are you going to get 7 years out of 3.5?

The great Multitude is the Raptured Church.

mark kennedy · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Have we seen a global financial crisis where a labour's day wage can only afford to buy
a quart (0.95 liters) of wheat ?

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A quart of wheat for a denar, and three quarts of barley for a denar.

A quart of wheat is the minimum amount to survive daily for a man.

How would people live if they can only buy a loaf of bread with their one day wage ?
How about paying the other expenses of living ? clothing, water, electricity, gas,
medicine, doctor, fuel, etc.

THERE WILL BE NO MORE MR. JOSEPH GATHERING AND PREPARING PEOPLE TO FACE THE FAMINE OF THE 7 YEARS TRIBULATION.
Gen 41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt
49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea
56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth:

Famine happened since the ancient time of Joseph in Egypt until our modern times, but we havent seen a global financial crisis which causes a global famine covering the whole globe, even the WW1 and WW2 didnt destroyed America and Australia where people live there with enough supplies of food.

Currently, we can buy all the food we want in the market as long as we have the money, foodstuff is abundant and relatively affordable in most nations of the world, the 3rd Seal obviously has not been opened. The world still enjoy the last plentiful of years.

THE OPENING OF THE 3RD SEAL WILL START THE FINANCIAL CRISIS WHICH WILL TRIGGER THE FAMINE IN THE FINAL 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL WHICH IS THE FINAL WEEK/7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION, THE LAST 7 YEARS OF BRUTAL CIVILIZATION OF MANKIND.

However the raptured believers will not be hungry or thirsty anymore when this happens :
Rev 7:14...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

ITS RAPTURED OR RUPTURED !

That famine will be the result of the first two horsemen, the world conqueror and world war. It's a natural result of war and those wages are most likely being paid out to slaves. There is also the statement, 'touch not the oil or the wine', which speaks to the preservation of luxurious lifestyles in Babylon. Those who are not subjected directly to the rule of the Antichrist and his army will most like flee to more rural and isolated areas.

The seals are opened at the beginning of the tribulation, so yea, it will probably last about 3 1/2 years. We don't know that for sure but it's a devastating judgment that afflicts anything under the Antichrist's control.

BABerean2 · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
The foolish virgins will be left.

Are you saying Christians who do not believe in the pretrib doctrine will be left behind at the return of Christ?

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Choose Wisely · Feb 21, 2018

Revealing Times said:
Since the Seals are Broken in the Middle of the Week how are you going to get 7 years out of 3.5?

The great Multitude is the Raptured Church.

The seals are opened in the beginning of the week after the pretribulation rapture has occurred. The wrath of God begins in the middle of the week.

Revealing Times · Feb 21, 2018

Choose Wisely said:
The seals are opened in the beginning of the week after the pretribulation rapture has occurred. The wrath of God begins in the middle of the week.

Since the FIRST SEAL is the Anti-Christ being released then that would mean it has to happen at the MIDWAY POINT....This is why everything via end time prophecy is centered on this point in time. The 1260, the 42 Months, the time, times and half [time] and the Middle of the Week.

keras · Feb 21, 2018

Why can't people see that the first five Seals are already open?
The world has had wars, famines, plagues and financial disasters in full measure since the first century, when as John tells us in Revelation 6:1; Jesus opened them.

The Fifth Seal proves it; all the martyrs since Stephen, have their souls kept under the heavenly Altar and more are added to them, as we see today.

But the Sixth Seal remains unopened, as yet. The things described in it have not happened and it awaits the Appointed time when the Lord will arise and destroy His enemies.

iamlamad · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
The great multitude were taken alive to the Throne, lets wait for God to come and fulfill, lets see who will be embarassed when Jesus comes to take the bride to the feast of the Lamb. The foolish virgins will be left.

Well said!

Douggg · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Have we seen a global financial crisis where a labour's day wage can only afford to buy
a quart (0.95 liters) of wheat ?

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A quart of wheat for a denar, and three quarts of barley for a denar.

A quart of wheat is the minimum amount to survive daily for a man.

How would people live if they can only buy a loaf of bread with their one day wage ?
How about paying the other expenses of living ? clothing, water, electricity, gas,
medicine, doctor, fuel, etc.

THERE WILL BE NO MORE MR. JOSEPH GATHERING AND PREPARING PEOPLE TO FACE THE FAMINE OF THE 7 YEARS TRIBULATION.
Gen 41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt
49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea
56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth:

Famine happened since the ancient time of Joseph in Egypt until our modern times, but we havent seen a global financial crisis which causes a global famine covering the whole globe, even the WW1 and WW2 didnt destroyed America and Australia where people live there with enough supplies of food.

Currently, we can buy all the food we want in the market as long as we have the money, foodstuff is abundant and relatively affordable in most nations of the world, the 3rd Seal obviously has not been opened. The world still enjoy the last plentiful of years.

THE OPENING OF THE 3RD SEAL WILL START THE FINANCIAL CRISIS WHICH WILL TRIGGER THE FAMINE IN THE FINAL 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL WHICH IS THE FINAL WEEK/7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION, THE LAST 7 YEARS OF BRUTAL CIVILIZATION OF MANKIND.

However the raptured believers will not be hungry or thirsty anymore when this happens :
Rev 7:14...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

ITS RAPTURED OR RUPTURED !

It will happen during the great tribulation, but not during the whole of the seven years. The great tribulation begins when the idol, the image of the beast, is placed in the temple. Which, as the abomination of desolation, in Daniel 12:11-12 will be 1335 days before Jesus returns. On the 7 year timeline, day 1185, the AoD will be placed in the temple.

Before then, during the early parts of the 7 years, the world will be saying peace and safety thinking they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety.

Douggg · Feb 21, 2018

keras said:
Why can't people see that the first five Seals are already open?

Instead of "open", I think you mean have already started to be fulfilled.

Jesus "opened" the seals back when John received Revelation, otherwise, we wouldn't know what they contained. But most people, like myself, believe the fulfillment of the contents is still future.

keras · Feb 21, 2018

Douggg said:
Instead of "open", I think you mean have already started to be fulfilled.

Jesus "opened" the seals back when John received Revelation, otherwise, we wouldn't know what they contained. But most people, like myself, believe the fulfillment of the contents is still future.

No; I mean 'opened', because when all seven Seals are opened, or removed, then the Scroll can be unrolled and the Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of the Great Tribulation can take place.

What is described in the Seals must be fulfilled sometime and our history is enough proof of the first five Seals being open now. How many more wars, famines, plagues, etc do you think it needs to prove that?
There is plenty of horrible evidence of the multi millions killed in each of these things. And they continue today; wars happening now, famines in Africa, disease epidemics and persecution of Christians.
If there was only a little more of any of these things, mankind could have died out.

Believing realities, instead of theories; is advisable.

iamlamad · Feb 21, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Have we seen a global financial crisis where a labour's day wage can only afford to buy
a quart (0.95 liters) of wheat ?

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A quart of wheat for a denar, and three quarts of barley for a denar.

A quart of wheat is the minimum amount to survive daily for a man.

How would people live if they can only buy a loaf of bread with their one day wage ?
How about paying the other expenses of living ? clothing, water, electricity, gas,
medicine, doctor, fuel, etc.

THERE WILL BE NO MORE MR. JOSEPH GATHERING AND PREPARING PEOPLE TO FACE THE FAMINE OF THE 7 YEARS TRIBULATION.
Gen 41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt
49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea
56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth:

Famine happened since the ancient time of Joseph in Egypt until our modern times, but we havent seen a global financial crisis which causes a global famine covering the whole globe, even the WW1 and WW2 didnt destroyed America and Australia where people live there with enough supplies of food.

Currently, we can buy all the food we want in the market as long as we have the money, foodstuff is abundant and relatively affordable in most nations of the world, the 3rd Seal obviously has not been opened. The world still enjoy the last plentiful of years.

THE OPENING OF THE 3RD SEAL WILL START THE FINANCIAL CRISIS WHICH WILL TRIGGER THE FAMINE IN THE FINAL 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL WHICH IS THE FINAL WEEK/7 YEARS OF GRIEF TRIBULATION, THE LAST 7 YEARS OF BRUTAL CIVILIZATION OF MANKIND.

However the raptured believers will not be hungry or thirsty anymore when this happens :
Rev 7:14...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

ITS RAPTURED OR RUPTURED !

The 3rd seal has been ongoing through the church age, but limited to 1/4 of the earth's surface: Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. However, it will probably continue on into the 70th week.

iamlamad · Feb 21, 2018

Douggg said:
Instead of "open", I think you mean have already started to be fulfilled.

Jesus "opened" the seals back when John received Revelation, otherwise, we wouldn't know what they contained. But most people, like myself, believe the fulfillment of the contents is still future.

When Jesus opened a seal, the events began right then: as in seal 1 opened and the church began to take the gospel to the world.

We know what each seal represents - even #'s 6 & 7 that are future - because God showed them to John in a vision.

Douggg, you should know by now that every verse has a CONTEXT - and the context of the first seals is Jesus ascending back into heaven - around 32 AD.

R. Hartono · Feb 21, 2018

Douggg said:
Jesus "opened" the seals back when John received Revelation, otherwise, we wouldn't know what they contained.

Thats very informative, If Jesus could not open those seals JOHN WOULD NOT BE WRITING THE BOOK OF REVELATION AND GAVE IT TO US.

Otherwise the book of Revelation will be written like this :
The Lamb could not open those seals so John return to earth.

R. Hartono · Feb 21, 2018

keras said:
history is enough proof of the first five Seals being open now. How many more wars, famines, plagues, etc do you think it needs to prove that?

What proof can you show that the 1st seal has been opened ?
Its about antichrist conquering the world with peace deals.
Daniel 8:25 and by peace shall destroy many:
antichrist will make the 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arabs which until now not yet occured.
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

Wars, famines, plagues happened from time to time since the Hebrew was in the desert, since Joseph was in Egypt.

R. Hartono · Feb 21, 2018

iamlamad said:
When Jesus opened a seal, the events began right then: as in seal 1 opened and the church began to take the gospel to the world.

The 1st seal is not about Jesus as Jesus not yet conquering the world with peace and not yet crowned to rule physically on earth.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

This is Jesus white horse in HEAVEN :

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.

This is antichrist white horse on EARTH with other 3 horses are all demonic and is launched to mark the final WEEK OF DANIEL/7 years tribulation.

The 1st seal is antichrist conquering the world with PEACE
Daniel 8:25 and by peace shall destroy many:

keras · Feb 22, 2018

R. Hartono said:
What proof can you show that the 1st seal has been opened ?
Its about antichrist conquering the world with peace deals.
Daniel 8:25 and by peace shall destroy many:
antichrist will make the 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arabs which until now not yet occured.
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

Wars, famines, plagues happened from time to time since the Hebrew was in the desert, since Joseph was in Egypt.

The proof of the first Seals being in operation, is the terrible wars, famines and plagues since the 1st Century. There was these things before, but not the millions killed, especially as we have had in increasing amounts over the last 100 years.

Daniel 8:25 By cunning and deceit, he will succeed in his schemes....and bring havoc onto many when they least expect it. He will challenge even the Prince of Princes and will be broken, but not by human hand. REBible
Your version makes that verse mean something it doesn't.

BTW, we can manage without your graphic and fanciful pictures.

R. Hartono · Feb 22, 2018

keras said:
The proof of the first Seals being in operation, is the terrible wars, famines and plagues since the 1st Century. There was these things before, but not the millions killed, especially as we have had in increasing amounts over the last 100 years.

How can the proof of 1st seals are terrible wars ? So where is the antichrist making fake peace and defeat many ?
Daniel 8:25 and by peace shall destroy many:
And antichrist will make the 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arabs which until now not yet occured.
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

Wars, famines and plagues happened be4 Jesus was even birthed.

The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world

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