The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

[NxNW]

Even though Trump controls all branches of the government, somehow it's the Dems' fault!

What to know about the government shutdown:​

• The federal government began to shut down overnight after Democrats and Republicans failed to come to an agreement to extend government funding ahead of the Oct. 1, 2025, deadline.
• As many as 750,000 government workers could be furloughed, according to the Congressional Budget Office, and they will not be paid until Congress appropriates funding and the shutdown ends. Workers deemed to be essential will stay on the job, although they, too, will not be paid until Congress reaches a funding deal.

Monthly jobs numbers will not be released during shutdown​

According to the Labor Department's contingency plan, the September jobs numbers will not be released Friday, as scheduled.
"Economic data that are scheduled to be released during the lapse will not be released," the plan says, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics will suspend its operations during the shutdown. It will also not be conducting surveys for next month's report.

The jobs report is closely watched by investors and by the interest rate-setting Federal Reserve, which last month signaled it was monitoring the labor market for signs of weakness as hiring slowed in the last two months. In August, employers added 22,000 jobs, well short of the 80,000 jobs economists had expected.

So the economy is worsening under Trump (as usual), but at least we don't know exactly how much.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I hope they stick to it. Putting the brakes on this out of control government that has been weaponized against the American people who don’t subscribe to the warped MAGA version of reality is the right thing to do.

 

[rambot]

As an outsider...help me understand what kind of power the Dems have in this situation at ALL.

What do "dems and repubs." have to agree on?

 

[Delvianna]

This isn't the first time the government shut down because of the failure to agree on a spending bill.

Here's an article that shows it happened 14 other times since 1980 Link

What ends up happening? Nothing.. the US doesn't fall apart, the economy doesn't fail... just nothing gets done. They'll come to an agreement at some point, they always do. Blaming the Democrats or Republicans isn't doing any good, nor is it that simple... you're just continuing the hate train. Please stop.

 

[NxNW]

National Parks got trashed during the Trump 1 shutdown.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

As an outsider...help me understand what kind of power the Dems have in this situation at ALL.

What do "dems and repubs." have to agree on?

The Senate needs 60 votes to pass a new spending bill, or to do a Continuing Resolution (CR) which would just keep whatever the funding levels are for each department the same for a short amount of time. This time I believe that would be til January.

The Senate is currently 53-47 Republican controller so they need Dems to help pass either one. In this case another CR. Republicans say the dems want to either spend too much money, or want to give healthare to illegals (false), while Dems say they want to return Healthcare spending to what it was before the BG BEAUTIFUL BILL Act was passed. They are also saying Republicans didn't even meet with them to negotiate.

There was a scheduled meeting with Trump and the democrats a few days ago, but it was canceled. Then the President tweeted a fake AI video of the House minority leader Hakeem Jeffriew in a sombrero and maracas and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer saying things they didn't say. House Leader Mike Johnson sent all the Republicans home 2 days before the deadline, so if Democrats were to get any negotiations in the last 48 hours it wouldn't have passed/worked anyways. A CR has to pass both Houese and Senate to go in effect.

The Dems have "power" in that while Republicans have majorities, they don't have Supermajorities so they still need to work with Democrats to get most things done. Some things they can do on their own but Spending is not one of them.

 

[rambot]

This isn't the first time the government shut down because of the failure to agree on a spending bill.

Here's an article that shows it happened 14 other times since 1980 Link

What ends up happening? Nothing.. the US doesn't fall apart, the economy doesn't fail... just nothing gets done. They'll come to an agreement at some point, they always do. Blaming the Democrats or Republicans isn't doing any good, nor is it that simple... you're just continuing the hate train. Please stop.

What?
Blaming government for not governing is now considered offensive to some?

I wanted to understand the situation better

 

[Delvianna]

What?
Blaming government for not governing is now considered offensive to some?

I wanted to understand the situation better

That's not what I mean. There is this polar toxic attitude in the US where republicans blame democrats for stuff and democrats blame republicans for stuff. No matter what the topic is, someone comes out and blames the other side. It's created a divisive existence living here where you are categorized by your political views. If you're a republican, you get attacked by extreme democrats (Quite literally), if you're a democrat, you get attacked by extreme republicans (again, literally). My point was, to stop fanning the flames that could literally turn into a civil war before long, that this isn't helping anything. "It's your fault, no it's YOUR fault!" This rhetoric needs to end.

 

[BCP1928]

That's not what I mean. There is this polar toxic attitude in the US where republicans blame democrats for stuff and democrats blame republicans for stuff. No matter what the topic is, someone comes out and blames the other side. It's created a divisive existence living here where you are categorized by your political views. If you're a republican, you get attacked by extreme democrats (Quite literally), if you're a democrat, you get attacked by extreme republicans (again, literally). My point was, to stop fanning the flames that could literally turn into a civil war before long, that this isn't helping anything. "It's your fault, no it's YOUR fault!" This rhetoric needs to end.

Yes, the Democrats won't vote for a policy they are vehemently opposed to so the Republicans shut down the Government. Whose "fault" is that?

 

[Delvianna]

Yes, the Democrats won't vote for a policy they are vehemently opposed to so the Republicans shut down the Government. Whose "fault" is that?

BOTH sides. Stop making this a polar issue. Get together and sort it out!

 

[Say it aint so]

BOTH sides. Stop making this a polar issue. Get together and sort it out!

Those days went out with the hoola hoop.

 

[Delvianna]

Those days went out with the hoola hoop.

apparently...

 

[Pepperdoodle]

The first government shutdown in the United States occurred on April 30, 1980, under Jimmy Carter when the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) was shut down due to a funding gap.
This shutdown lasted one day and resulted in approximately 1,600 FTC employees being furloughed.
It was the first instance of a federal agency closing because of a budget dispute, following a legal opinion by Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti that agencies must cease operations when funding expires.
Although there were earlier funding gaps—such as one in 1976 during President Gerald Ford’s administration—these did not result in actual shutdowns or furloughs.
The 1980 shutdown set the precedent for future shutdowns by enforcing the requirement that non-essential government functions halt during funding lapses.

Jimmy Carter had five shutdowns during his presidency, each lasting about a week or two.
Barack Obama had one shutdown lasting 16 days in 2013.
George H. W. Bush had two brief shutdowns.
Bill Clinton had two, including a 21-day shutdown from 1995 to 1996.

Given temporary shutdowns have happened since April 1980, I'm not surprised by them.
I'm not surprised by this one. Nor am I worried since we've been through many through the decades.

 

[rambot]

That's not what I mean. There is this polar toxic attitude in the US where republicans blame democrats for stuff and democrats blame republicans for stuff. No matter what the topic is, someone comes out and blames the other side. It's created a divisive existence living here where you are categorized by your political views. If you're a republican, you get attacked by extreme democrats (Quite literally), if you're a democrat, you get attacked by extreme republicans (again, literally). My point was, to stop fanning the flames that could literally turn into a civil war before long, that this isn't helping anything. "It's your fault, no it's YOUR fault!" This rhetoric needs to end.

Yes but you CANNOT dissolve your governing parties of responsibility and having a conversation around the FACTS of this situation clarify who is contributing what to the current situation.

So it looks like Dems want more spending on Healthcare and REpublicans are refusing that.

Seems pretty simple.

Is if fanning the flames to make that statement?

 

[BCP1928]

Yes but you CANNOT dissolve your governing parties of responsibility and having a conversation around the FACTS of this situation clarify who is contributing what to the current situation.

So it looks like Dems want more spending on Healthcare and REpublicans are refusing that.

Seems pretty simple.

Is if fanning the flames to make that statement?

I think the point is that the Democrats have no right to stick to their policy to the extent of forcing a government shutdown over it. After all, it is the Republicans who are taking the real true American position on health care spending. Democrats just hate America and want to destroy it.

 

[rambot]

BOTH sides. Stop making this a polar issue. Get together and sort it out!

If Republicans take something away from the poorest of the poor, do you think Democrats should try to protect the poor or is it more important that they just get out of the way of whatever REpublicans want?

 

[Delvianna]

Yes but you CANNOT dissolve your governing parties of responsibility and having a conversation around the FACTS of this situation clarify who is contributing what to the current situation.

So it looks like Dems want more spending on Healthcare and REpublicans are refusing that.

Seems pretty simple

The bill passed the house, got sent to the senate and what happened? The Senate Democrats REFUSED to vote on it, why? Because they wanted to add another trillion dollars in spending and no, not all of it is for healthcare. Some of it is for electric vehicles, DEI projects, and adds a bunch of other legality issues like cutting to border security, removes work requirements for federal aid and other stuff. So you want to talk about "facts", this isn't "simple". Stop making it out to be and just toss around blame against the party that you particularly don't like.

 

[BCP1928]

The bill passed the house, got sent to the senate and what happened? The Senate Democrats REFUSED to vote on it, why? Because they wanted to add another trillion dollars in spending and no, not all of it is for healthcare. Some of it is for electric vehicles, DEI projects, and adds a bunch of other legality issues like cutting to border security, removes work requirements for federal aid and other stuff. So you want to talk about "facts", this isn't "simple". Stop making it out to be and just toss around blame against the party that you particularly don't like.

Why? You get to toss around blame against the party you particularly don't like. Fair is fair.

 

[Delvianna]

Why? You get to toss around blame against the party you particularly don't like. Fair is fair.

Where did I say anything against anyone specifically and not the other? This whole time I'm saying its BOTH sides that are an issue. Don't put words in my mouth please. Republicans should include democrats in negotiation and democrats shouldn't hold the process hostage. BOTH are an issue and that's where I'm leaving it.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Where did I say anything against anyone specifically and not the other? This whole time I'm saying its BOTH sides that are an issue. Don't put words in my mouth please. Republicans should include democrats in negotiation and democrats shouldn't hold the process hostage. BOTH are an issue and that's where I'm leaving it.

The Democrats are "holding the process hostage" precisely BECAUSE the Republicans did not do any meeting for negotiations. One precedes the other. The blame is not equal there. Sometimes both sides are the issue and worth blaming. This is not one of those times.