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I've just read an old book review article about a book on Aaron Burr, an interesting US political character from the 18th/19th century. Apparently before the 12th amendment you would have president Biden and vice president Trump etc. Is that correct? Obviously the process leading up to the vote would be different so it's only hypothetically possible. Would a reduction in political partisanship be a good thing?
 

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I've just read an old book review article about a book on Aaron Burr, an interesting US political character from the 18th/19th century. Apparently before the 12th amendment you would have president Biden and vice president Trump etc. Is that correct? Obviously the process leading up to the vote would be different so it's only hypothetically possible. Would a reduction in political partisanship be a good thing?

What does Aaron Burr have to do with this 12th Amendment?

I read somewhere the Electoral College was supposed to prevent people like Donald Trump from running for the presidency. It would have been a Joe Biden/Bernie Sanders administration.
 
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What does Aaron Burr have to do with this 12th Amendment?

I read somewhere the Electoral College was supposed to prevent people like Donald Trump from running for the presidency. It would have been a Joe Biden/Bernie Sanders administration.
They are both referred to in the same book review. In the 1800 election Jefferson and Burr received the same number of votes - apparently because some Republican electors forgot to vote for someone other than Burr. The 12th amendment was brought in to avoid such an impasse in the future caused by the tied vote.
 
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I've just read an old book review article about a book on Aaron Burr, an interesting US political character from the 18th/19th century. Apparently before the 12th amendment you would have president Biden and vice president Trump etc. Is that correct? Obviously the process leading up to the vote would be different so it's only hypothetically possible. Would a reduction in political partisanship be a good thing?
Yes. Originally the electors would each cast two votes and the person with the most votes would become President with a contingent election if nobody won an outright majority, and second place going to vice President. With the first two elections there was no question who the President would be and VP didn't matter much because it was before the real development of American political parties.

As for your question at the end, there is not any indication that this would reduce political partisanship. If anything the differences and rivalry between the Democratic-Republicans and Federalists were actually heightened by Adams' and Jefferson's rivalry in office. Even in 1801, with both candidates being Democratic-Republicans, Burr and Jefferson were fierce rivals.
 
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They are both referred to in the same book review. In the 1800 election Jefferson and Burr received the same number of votes - apparently because some Republican electors forgot to vote for someone other than Burr. The 12th amendment was brought in to avoid such an impasse in the future caused by the tied vote.

Are you sure the Republican Party existed in 1800? I do not know if this is true, but read it began shortly before the Civil War, making Abraham Lincoln the first U.S. President who was a Republican as we know the party to be today. Before him the liberal party we now call "Democratic" was called ":Republican" and a few Presidents belonged to extinct parties such as the Whip Party.

Forgot to vote for either Burr or the other candidate. The votes did not have to be for Burr.
 
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Are you sure the Republican Party existed in 1800? I do not know if this is true, but read it began shortly before the Civil War, making Abraham Lincoln the first U.S. President who was a Republican as we know the party to be today. Before him the liberal party we now call "Democratic" was called ":Republican" and a few Presidents belonged to extinct parties such as the Whip Party.
Different Republicans. The party that we now call Democratic-Republicans were simply known as Republicans to contemporaries, though there is no direct link to modern Republicans. Though interestingly enough, both modern major political parties can be traced to them.
 
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Different Republicans. The party that we now call Democratic-Republicans were simply known as Republicans to contemporaries, though there is no direct link to modern Republicans. Though interestingly enough, both modern major political parties can be traced to them.

There is no such thing as a Democratic Republican. The two parties have opposite opinions about everything.
 
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There is no such thing as a Democratic Republican.
The two parties have opposite opinions about everything.In the 1790s and early 1800s, senators divided into rival parties based on support of and opposition to the policies of presidents George Washington and John Adams, especially regarding foreign relations with Great Britain and France and the role of the federal government. Party labels were very fluid at this time, but for the most part supporters of Washington and Adams adopted the label Federalists, while the opposition, led by Thomas Jefferson, became known as Democratic Republicans (many preferred the one-word label, Republicans)
 
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There is no such thing as a Democratic Republican. The two parties have opposite opinions about everything.
No, but historians call the original Republican party the Democratic Republicans. They were the party of Jefferson, who opposed the party of Adams and Hamilton.
 
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