The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?

cfdude · Oct 24, 2017

The thing about Enoch is that you have to understand the OT prophets and when you do that you will find Enoch harmonizes right along with them. The Holy Spirit has many writers but the univocal message is the same and transcends the writers. Today's scholars do not always believe or trust in the inspiration of the books based on spiritual content but first seek to invalidate a book based on criteria that is hyper-critical due to skepticism, limiting the context, authorship, language, figures of speech, interpretive methodolgy, historical relevance, strict philosophic scientism,,. All the while not having understood the writer's plain intent and how it aligns brilliantly with what has been written and already accepted. Maybe, God had it written that way for the reason of weeding out those who would be hung up so easily on matters that can actually be explained and reconciled with the whole revelation given. In faith is great reward.

SummaScriptura · Oct 24, 2017

The calculations of the year are given from God, but they are geocentric because they are being given so mankind can calculate the festival year. In order to do so, it had to be observable from earth.

"And the account thereof is accurate and the recorded reckoning thereof exact; for the luminaries, and months and festivals, and years and days, has Uriel shown and revealed to me, to whom the Lord of the whole creation of the world hath subjected the host of heaven." 82:7

yeshuasavedme · Oct 24, 2017

...but He didn't subject the world to them, but them to the world

yeshuasavedme · Nov 4, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
I am not sure if this is referring to the destruction of Solomon's Temple or Herod's 2nd Temple.
For now, I am going with the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem and the Temple.
Any one have a view on it?

8. And after that, in the sixth week, all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend;
and at it’s close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire, And the race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.

Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC) - Wikipedia

In 589 BC, Nebuchadnezzar II laid siege to Jerusalem, culminating in the destruction of the city and its temple in the summer of 587 or 586 BC.............

After the fall of Jerusalem, the Babylonian general, Nebuzaraddan, was sent to complete its destruction. Jerusalem was plundered, and Solomon's Temple was destroyed.
Most of the elite were taken into captivity in Babylon.
The city was razed to the ground. Only a few people were permitted to remain to tend to the land.

The Jew Gedaliah was made governor of the remnant of Judah, the Yehud Province, with a Chaldean guard stationed at Mizpah.[7]
The Bible reports that, on hearing this news, Jews who had fled to Moab, Ammon, Edom, and in other countries returned to Judah.[8]

Yep. Elijah ascended. It was Solomon's temple.

yeshuasavedme · Nov 4, 2017

Jipsah said:
Sounds good. May we assume, then, that the parts of "Enoch" that are important are those included in canonical Scripture, and those not included are not? If so, then we are in agreement.

Good points. Where was "Enoch", and in what form, until it surfaced some centuries after the presumed author had left?

Abraham lived with Noah and Shem for 39 years, until the Tower of Babel event. Abraham had his own copy of Enoch's writings from that time.
Shem grew up in the presence of Methuseh, son of Enoch.

Methuselah had the book, and Noah and sons were raised on it, and had their own copies.
Shem outlived Abraham, and blessed Abraham with the blessing of "firstborn of earth", which office Noah had passed to Shem. Shem was the high priest of the Most High God and king of righteousness, who met Abraham coming back from his victory over Nimrod and the three kings, when they had raided the cities of the plain and carried off Lot and family.

In the DSS, in a manuscript dubbed "The Genesis Apocryphon", There is included a fragment of Abraham's own writing. He states he read from the book of Enoch to the men of Pharoah who were sent by Pharoah to return Sarah to him, when they asked him to teach them "wisdom, values and truth".

Tayla · Nov 4, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
10 week prophecy mentioned in that book

Q: The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?
A: No. If it were it would be part of the canon.

This doesn't mean every detail is in error, as Jude notes in quoting some of it.

yeshuasavedme · Nov 4, 2017

The thing about the ten weeks is that they are 700 years long, each. A week of 700 years, and ten of them, making 7,000 years, would seem to coincide with the 7,000 year week of 1,000 year "days", with the last being a Sabbath Millennium, but it has a total "stop" after Jesus ascends, and the Church age -the age of the Gentiles coming into Christ by the preaching of the Gospel- is not measured, and has a known beginning and an unknown end, but that end is marked by the rapture and tribulation, which is when the signs begin again that Enoch writes of in his parable of the ten weeks. Then the 700 year weeks begin to be numbered in the calendar of heaven, again. They overlap into the "New Beginning", which is that regeneration of all things and them made new, which happens on "the 8th Day, that Great Day", signed in the Feast of Tabernacles.

Earth, regenerated in an instant with the heavens by the atomic elemental dissolving and regeneration of all things, will go on forever and forever, in it's restored form, but in the New Creation there will be no "Adam" seed/souls born, for Adam seed is totally cut off in the 8th day, as circumcision given to the seed of Abraham through Isaac, is the sign of.
A thousand years of thousand year days will be the life span of the souls born on earth forever, and forever, before they are transformed to the glory and take their places in the heavens, with the angels, ruling and reigning from there, with Christ/God the Creator come in flesh of the New Creation Man name, as Kinsman/Redeemer, to ransom the earth back for it's original purpose; but in the New Name, not in the old Adam name. The Israel of God is that name, and He is the Firstborn of the New Man Creation human being Name, and the earth which He ransomed back to Himself will belong to Him, who is the High King and High Priest of it, forever and forever.

SummaScriptura · Nov 4, 2017

yeshuasavedme said:
The thing about the ten weeks is that they are 700 years long, each. A week of 700 years, and ten of them, making 7,000 years, would seem to coincide with the 7,000 year week of 1,000 year "days", with the last being a Sabbath Millennium, but it has a total "stop" after Jesus ascends, and the Church age -the age of the Gentiles coming into Christ by the preaching of the Gospel- is not measured, and has a known beginning and an unknown end, but that end is marked by the rapture and tribulation, which is when the signs begin again that Enoch writes of in his parable of the ten weeks. Then the 700 year weeks begin to be numbered in the calendar of heaven, again. They overlap into the "New Beginning", which is that regeneration of all things and them made new, which happens on "the 8th Day, that Great Day", signed in the Feast of Tabernacles.

Earth, regenerated in an instant with the heavens by the atomic elemental dissolving and regeneration of all things, will go on forever and forever, in it's restored form, but in the New Creation there will be no "Adam" seed/souls born, for Adam seed is totally cut off in the 8th day, as circumcision given to the seed of Abraham through Isaac, is the sign of.
A thousand years of thousand year days will be the life span of the souls born on earth forever, and forever, before they are transformed to the glory and take their places in the heavens, with the angels, ruling and reigning from there, with Christ/God the Creator come in flesh of the New Creation Man name, as Kinsman/Redeemer, to ransom the earth back for it's original purpose; but in the New Name, not in the old Adam name. The Israel of God is that name, and He is the Firstborn of the New Man Creation human being Name, and the earth which He ransomed back to Himself will belong to Him, who is the High King and High Priest of it, forever and forever.

But week 7 has already lasted nearly 2,000 years?

SummaScriptura · Nov 4, 2017

yeshuasavedme said:
<snip>Earth, regenerated in an instant with the heavens by the atomic elemental dissolving and regeneration of all things, will go on forever and forever, in it's restored form, but in the New Creation there will be no "Adam" seed/souls born, for Adam seed is totally cut off in the 8th day, as circumcision given to the seed of Abraham through Isaac, is the sign of.

A thousand years of thousand year days will be the life span of the souls born on earth forever, and forever, before they are transformed to the glory and take their places in the heavens, with the angels, ruling and reigning from there, with Christ/God the Creator come in flesh of the New Creation Man name, as Kinsman/Redeemer, to ransom the earth back for it's original purpose; but in the New Name, not in the old Adam name. The Israel of God is that name, and He is the Firstborn of the New Man Creation human being Name, and the earth which He ransomed back to Himself will belong to Him, who is the High King and High Priest of it, forever and forever.

I enjoy reading your posts. Your posts remind me of the passage

Jesus ben Sirach said:
He who devotes himself to the study of the law of the Most High
will seek out the wisdom of all the ancients, and
will be concerned with prophecies; he
will preserve the discourse of notable men and
penetrate the subtleties of parables; he
will seek out the hidden meanings of proverbs and
be at home with the obscurities of parables. (39:1-3)

I like people who are into unraveling the puzzles God has put into the Scriptures. He must love to see people devote themselves to it! One thing that tethers my enthusiasm though is you do not cite your sources. I'm a Berean skeptic and would like to know from where you're digging your gold so I can decide whether I can add it to my own trove.

yeshuasavedme · Nov 5, 2017

SummaScriptura said:
But week 7 has already lasted nearly 2,000 years?

Well, I have to go back and read it again, but it is ended and the calendar measuring them is on a "stop", during this period of the Church age. It begins again after the Church is " removed from the midst of the earth", and the signs begin again that mark the restoration of Israel, and the Great Tribulation.
That's my understanding of it at this time.

yeshuasavedme · Nov 5, 2017

SummaScriptura said:
I enjoy reading your posts. Your posts remind me of the passageI like people who are into unraveling the puzzles God has put into the Scriptures. He must love to see people devote themselves to it! One thing that tethers my enthusiasm though is you do not cite your sources. I'm a Berean skeptic and would like to know from where you're digging your gold so I can decide whether I can add it to my own trove.

We are reading Sirach a chapter a day at this time, along with our regular daily reading of the Word, and just did chapter 39 last week. I thought about that very passage and the parts describing the labors of all. Hubby and I discussed how God puts it in the heart of every human being to do the work they do, and that makes the world run smoothly. I love to read, and love the histories related to the Word. I've told my family to look for me in the library in heaven, and NOT in the kitchen. I've always cooked to feed the family, but it isn't in my heart to love doing it
As to sources, I've pondered the Scriptures that are there, and lots of things just explain themselves from the Word, over time. However, I'll be happy to go into depth on any of the things I say if you ask me about it.
And you know my favorite ancient history book is Jasher, but most of what is in it is corroborated in other Jewish writings, which I think came after that, but they say the same.

Vicomte13 · Dec 6, 2017

JacksBratt said:
Do you actually think that Joseph married Mary, accepted her pregnancy and did not go public with it, married her and spent the rest of his days celibate?

Yes. Talking to angels will do that sort of thing to a man.

JacksBratt · Dec 7, 2017

Vicomte13 said:
Yes. Talking to angels will do that sort of thing to a man.

In those days marriage was not just because you loved the person and wished to spend a life together and provide for them...

It was necessary to raise a family that would help with the family business, carry on the family business and provide for you in your elder years. Children were not just products of your love for your wife. They were a necessity for your welfare in all kinds of ways.

A couple with no children were not going to have a good life in their elder years. A wife needed her children to provide for her in the case of her husband dying too.... which happened to Mary.

There is no way that Joseph would have been able to carry on if he had no more children to work his business. He could not of, with a clear conscience, known Mary would have nobody but the only child, Jesus, as her only hope if he died.

Not to mention... there is no way that he would have remained celibate for all those years.

Vicomte13 · Dec 7, 2017

JacksBratt said:
Not to mention... there is no way that he would have remained celibate for all those years.

Celibate as in "no woman"? Sure he could. Men have lived without women all over the world for their whole lives.

Celibate as in "no masturbation"? No reason to believe that.

JacksBratt · Dec 7, 2017

Vicomte13 said:
Celibate as in "no woman"? Sure he could. Men have lived without women all over the world for their whole lives.

Celibate as in "no masturbation"? No reason to believe that.

So... just to be clear....

Joseph married Mary, even though she was pregnant an it was not his....Understandable.. the angel explained this.

Then...

Joseph worked a business and supported Mary and Jesus, on his own, until Jesus helped out bit before going to become a rabbi...

Joseph did all this without ever having relations with his wife, never consummating their marriage but masturbated to relieve his sexual tension?

This is what God had in His plan for the earthly father figure for Jesus?

I hardly think so.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 7, 2017

Tutorman said:
I do think it might be and just like I believe there are more than 66 books in the Bible

Not to derail the thread, but since there are 66 books in the Bible,
well, believing otherwise can't and won't change that, will it ? (just seemed odd to me) I mean what good would believing other than it is do ?

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 7, 2017

Tutorman said:
I trust my instincts, thank you very much.

Oh not, thank you though. In all 66 books of the Bible, trusting one's own instincts is said to be wrong (by God Himself, His Spirit and His Word) . A man's own heart is most deceptive, etc etc ... Trust God always, and lean not on your own understanding.... etc etc ....

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 7, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Thank you for your post, but like you and others, I still have more questions than answers about the writings of Enoch.

Good. To start with.
As Yahweh Reveals the Truth, the questions evaporate , so to speak.
Yahweh is REMARKABLE WONDERFUL AND TRUE !

Vicomte13 · Dec 7, 2017

JacksBratt said:
I hardly think so.

I won't speculate about the Holy Family's private lives, thinking it impudent and not very classy. Certainly when God speaks to people it is a life-changing event. Look what Paul did in response, and Paul was not asked to do a role anywhere near as demanding and important as what was asked of Joseph.

There is a very ancient writing, the Protoevangelium of James, which explains some details of the Holy Family's life (including the fact that Joseph was a widow and rather old when he married Mary, and already had children by a previous marriage. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an old man. He isn't in the picture during Jesus' ministry because he had already died.)

Tutorman · Dec 7, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Not to derail the thread, but since there are 66 books in the Bible,
well, believing otherwise can't and won't change that, will it ? (just seemed odd to me) I mean what good would believing other than it is do ?

There are more, it was Protestant typesetters who yanked out books, might want to learn some history.

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