THE 10 Commandments of Faith

[Kokavkrystallos]

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." - Matthew 15:9
Today we have many who teach the 10 Commandments are not for today. This is NOT what the Bible teaches. This is an example of the erroneous false doctrine out there today, from a random website:

Do these 2 verses above even begin to sound like the 10 commandments are abolished? - "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law,"... "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

They mainly argue from Galatians, and also misinterpret other scriptures. They argue because
of Romans 6:14, "for ye are not under the law, but under grace," but need to quote everything in context, which is Romans 6:14-15 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

First: as for Galatians, Paul is mainly addressing those who said you had to be circumcised, and keep certain days (Galatians 2:1-4, 4:9-10, 5:2-3, 6:12-13), which are the weak and beggarly elements (4:9)

Second: There is the moral law of the 10 commandments written by the finger of God Himself: Exodus 31:13 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God." Then there are the rest of the 613 laws contained in ordinances that were written by Moses at the direction of the LORD, many of which are ceremonial laws dealing with the Temple and the Priesthood. These are what Christ nailed to the cross: Colossians 2:14, ""Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" Cheirographon is the Greek for Handwriting which means written by hand; but the 10 commandments were written by God.

Third: Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, not the obedience to it (Galatians 3:13) The curse and penalty of the law we are not under: John 1:17, "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." This does not mean the 10 commandments were done away with, it just brings in that Jesus Christ comes with grace and truth. And we will see how we keep the law by grace, through faith, just as we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) Nor are there any more sacrifices under the law, for Christ became the perfect one time sacrifice, once for all. (Hebrews 7:27, 9:12, 9:24-28)

What the antinomians (Those who are against the law) fail to connect is Galatians 5:18-23. Ye are not under law IF you walk in the Spirit (5:18). Then Paul lists the works of the flesh, which if you do you SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. (5:19-21) Every single one of those works of the flesh is a violation of one or more of the 10 commandments, with the exception of "Thou shalt not steal." However, before you think you can shoplift from the store, "Theft" is listed in 1 Corinthians 6:10 in that thieves shall not inherit the kingdom of God, along with adulterers, homosexuals, extortioners, etc. Thievery is also covered under covetousness, for a thief does not steal unless he covets what he wishes to steal.

We must let scripture interpret scripture.So why would Paul say we're not under the law, then turn around and say if you break the law, you won't inherit the kingdom of God? Unless he meant something else, which is clear he does, because he is dealing with ceremonial aspects of the handwriting of ordinances, circumcision, the keeping of days and weeks, and such like. Basically, works. He also talks about the curse and penalty of the law which Jesus delivered us from.

That we are obligated to keep the moral law of the 10 commandments is clear from the following scriptures:
Mathew 5:17-20, (Jesus speaking here) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 5:27-28, "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Here Jesus even makes the true meaning of the law more expansive: Not only is the physical act of adultery a violation of the commandment, but just the thought of lust; and that means fantasy, inappropriate contentography - looking at a girl in any lustful way, and same goes for girls looking at guys, or same sex looking at same to lust.

Romans 2:13-16 (Does this sound like Paul is telling anyone the law is completely abolished?) "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

Romans 3:31 is pivotal: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." I've shared previously how "establish" here means "to stand in, keep its place, establish, keep intact, uphold the authority of a thing." This is one of the most powerful verses in the entire Bible regarding whether or not we are obliged to obey the 10 commandments.
We also see this verse, Rom. 3:31 is written at the end of the chapter containing " Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;..." and, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." (Rom 3:19-21 & 28) But these only show us that the law points out sin, and trying to keep the law as a method of salvation (works) is not the way, and you cannot be justified by it; rather, by faith we ESTABLISH the law, that is, keep it, by faith.
Romans 6:1-2 &6-7, (Using same language he did in 3:31), "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Now look at 1 John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law"

Romans 7:12, 14, 25 & 8:1 - 4, (This goes back to Galatians 5: walk in the Spirit, there is no condemnation, because you are keeping the law, and not committing the lusts of the flesh, which is the breaking of the law of the 10 commandments): "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.... For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin...I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 Timothy 1:8-10, (Again, the law points out sin, and the law is good) "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."

1 John 2:3 & 7, & 5:7, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments...Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning....For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"

Oh, but the antinomians say all that means is love: Jesus told us to love each other, that is all. Define love then, and specifically what Jesus meant by it. It is true He meant love, but He clearly states, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
Loving the Lord your God with all your heart fulfills the first 4 commandments. Loving your neighbor as yourself covers the last 6. One is your relationship between you and God, a vertical relationship: Look UP for your redemption draweth nigh. The second, love your neighbor as yourself is your relationship to people, a horizontal relationship, and even in this we see the form of the cross. So the 2 commandments about love, and all the scripture about love that John writes IS the keeping of the 10 commandments, and Jesus calls us to DO THEM!

Galatians 5:13-14, "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
1 John 2:3, I'll close with this. It's pretty clear if we look at the Bible and search the Scriptures we see the law in the 10 Commandments is most certainly for today, and whosoever teaches otherwise is teaching false doctrine: yea, is even a false prophet, and Paul would go so far to call them accursed in Galatians 1!
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

We know that the 10 commandments are still in effect by what Paul wrote in Rom.13 thus bringing them into the new testament instead of abolishing them .. 8-10 "He who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.." there is the mention of 4 of the 10 commandments but includes the 6 remaining and additionally all other commandments by saying "Any other command is summed up in this, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

We know that the 10 commandments are still in effect by what Paul wrote in Rom.13 thus bringing them into the new testament instead of abolishing them .. 8-10 "He who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.." there is the mention of 4 of the 10 commandments but includes the 6 remaining and additionally all other commandments by saying "Any other command is summed up in this, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."

Absolutely! It's simply a misinterpretation of what it means to be not under law but grace. We actually keep the law by grace, not by works of the law. Jesus magnified the law, expanding upon it:
"The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable" - Isaiah 42:21

"Magnify" Heb. "Gadal" - to grow, become great or important, promote, make powerful, praise, magnify, do great things.
"Honorable" Heb. "adar" -great, majestic, glorious.

Jesus is the "end of the law" for righteousness in Romans 10:4, but "end" is Greek "telos" and with "eis" it means continual, and it reads "telos gar nomou Christos eis dikaiosynēn"

"For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth"

Christ of course fulfilled the law, but we know from the OP scriptures it is perpetual, and here in Romans it shows it is a continuing righteousness, as the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us.
Rom. 8:4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

I'm interested especially in the Grk word used in Rm.10:4, telos translated as end, it inspires a study on every scripture that uses it.

 

[Soyeong]

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." - Matthew 15:9
Today we have many who teach the 10 Commandments are not for today. This is NOT what the Bible teaches. This is an example of the erroneous false doctrine out there today, from a random website:
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Do these 2 verses above even begin to sound like the 10 commandments are abolished? - "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law,"... "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

The Law of Moses was given by God in Deuteronomy 5:31-33 and it is referred to as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23, so Paul equated the Law of Moses with the Law of Christ by using a parallel statement to say that he was not outside the Law of God, but under the Law of Christ. After all, the Law of Moses was given by God and Christ is God, so it is the Law of Christ.

They mainly argue from Galatians, and also misinterpret other scriptures. They argue because
of Romans 6:14, "for ye are not under the law, but under grace," but need to quote everything in context, which is Romans 6:14-15 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), so it is the law where holiness, righteousness, and holiness have dominion over us, however, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is the law where sin had dominion over us, which means that the law that Romans 6:14 described us as not being under is the law of sin, not the Law of God. In Romans 6:15, Paul said that being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of the Law of God, so we are still under it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obeying God's law and against sin.

First: as for Galatians, Paul is mainly addressing those who said you had to be circumcised, and keep certain days (Galatians 2:1-4, 4:9-10, 5:2-3, 6:12-13), which are the weak and beggarly elements (4:9)

Either Paul only spoke against becoming circumcised for incorrect reasons or according to Galatians 5:2-3, Paul caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised right after the Jerusalem Council (Acts 16:3) and Christ is of no value to roughly 80% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, men from Judea were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the purpose for which God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld the Law of Moses by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect reason, which should not be mistaken as being a ruling against obeying what God has commanded for the reasons that He commanded it as if they had the authority to countermand God.

In Galatians 4:8-11, Paul addressed those verses to those who did not formally know God, and in Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, so Galatians 4:8-11 is not addressing those who were formerly obeying God's instructions for how to know Him, but rather those who formerly did not know God refers to those who are former pagans. As such, they were not formerly keeping God's holy days and Paul could not have been criticizing them for returning to them, so whatever he was referring to in verse 11 was in the context of paganism.

Second: There is the moral law of the 10 commandments written by the finger of God Himself: Exodus 31:13 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God." Then there are the rest of the 613 laws contained in ordinances that were written by Moses at the direction of the LORD, many of which are ceremonial laws dealing with the Temple and the Priesthood. These are what Christ nailed to the cross: Colossians 2:14, ""Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" Cheirographon is the Greek for Handwriting which means written by hand; but the 10 commandments were written by God.

All of God's laws have the same moral authority regardless of whether God wrote them or commanded Moses to write them. The Bible never refers to the Ten Commandments as being the moral law, it never suggests that we can be acting morally while disobeying the rest of the 603 commandments of the Law of Moses, and it never suggests that it can ever be moral to disobey God.

In Colossians 2:14, it does not specific that it is speaking about ceremonial laws, not does it speak about any laws being nailed to the cross. In Matthew 27:37, they wrote out a sign that said that Jesus was the King of the Jews and nailed that to his cross as the charge that was against them, which fits perfectly with the concept of the list of the sins that we have committed being nailed to Christ's cross and with him dying in our place, but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. The Bible never uses the Greek word "dogma" to refer to the Law of God.

Third: Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, not the obedience to it (Galatians 3:13) The curse and penalty of the law we are not under: John 1:17, "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." This does not mean the 10 commandments were done away with, it just brings in that Jesus Christ comes with grace and truth. And we will see how we keep the law by grace, through faith, just as we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) Nor are there any more sacrifices under the law, for Christ became the perfect one time sacrifice, once for all. (Hebrews 7:27, 9:12, 9:24-28)

In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and in Psalms 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth, so grace and truth came through Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example. John 1:17 does not contain the word "but" in the Greek.

What the antinomians (Those who are against the law) fail to connect is Galatians 5:18-23. Ye are not under law IF you walk in the Spirit (5:18). Then Paul lists the works of the flesh, which if you do you SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. (5:19-21) Every single one of those works of the flesh is a violation of one or more of the 10 commandments, with the exception of "Thou shalt not steal." However, before you think you can shoplift from the store, "Theft" is listed in 1 Corinthians 6:10 in that thieves shall not inherit the kingdom of God, along with adulterers, homosexuals, extortioners, etc. Thievery is also covered under covetousness, for a thief does not steal unless he covets what he wishes to steal.

In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted following the Spirit with following the desires of the flesh and everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. The Law of Moses as given by God and the Spirit is God, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:18 as referring to the Law of Moses, but rather the desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do is how Paul described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 7, so it is the law of sin that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit. Furthermore, passages like Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Romans 1:26-32, and Titus 3:1-3 list things that are not listed in the Ten Commandments.

Mathew 5:17-20, (Jesus speaking here) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 5:27-28, "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Here Jesus even makes the true meaning of the law more expansive: Not only is the physical act of adultery a violation of the commandment, but just the thought of lust; and that means fantasy, inappropriate contentography - looking at a girl in any lustful way, and same goes for girls looking at guys, or same sex looking at same to lust.

Jesus taught obedience to more than just the Ten Commandments in Matthew 5 alone.

Romans 2:13-16 (Does this sound like Paul is telling anyone the law is completely abolished?) "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

Romans 3:31 is pivotal: "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." I've shared previously how "establish" here means "to stand in, keep its place, establish, keep intact, uphold the authority of a thing." This is one of the most powerful verses in the entire Bible regarding whether or not we are obliged to obey the 10 commandments.
We also see this verse, Rom. 3:31 is written at the end of the chapter containing " Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;..." and, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." (Rom 3:19-21 & 28) But these only show us that the law points out sin, and trying to keep the law as a method of salvation (works) is not the way, and you cannot be justified by it; rather, by faith we ESTABLISH the law, that is, keep it, by faith.
Romans 6:1-2 &6-7, (Using same language he did in 3:31), "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Now look at 1 John 3:4, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law"

Romans 7:12, 14, 25 & 8:1 - 4, (This goes back to Galatians 5: walk in the Spirit, there is no condemnation, because you are keeping the law, and not committing the lusts of the flesh, which is the breaking of the law of the 10 commandments): "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.... For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin...I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 Timothy 1:8-10, (Again, the law points out sin, and the law is good) "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."

1 John 2:3 & 7, & 5:7, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments...Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning....For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city"

Oh, but the antinomians say all that means is love: Jesus told us to love each other, that is all. Define love then, and specifically what Jesus meant by it. It is true He meant love, but He clearly states, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
Loving the Lord your God with all your heart fulfills the first 4 commandments. Loving your neighbor as yourself covers the last 6. One is your relationship between you and God, a vertical relationship: Look UP for your redemption draweth nigh. The second, love your neighbor as yourself is your relationship to people, a horizontal relationship, and even in this we see the form of the cross. So the 2 commandments about love, and all the scripture about love that John writes IS the keeping of the 10 commandments, and Jesus calls us to DO THEM!

Galatians 5:13-14, "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
1 John 2:3, I'll close with this. It's pretty clear if we look at the Bible and search the Scriptures we see the law in the 10 Commandments is most certainly for today, and whosoever teaches otherwise is teaching false doctrine: yea, is even a false prophet, and Paul would go so far to call them accursed in Galatians 1!
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

None of those verses that you listed specify that they are speaking about just ten of God's commandments. The position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit things like idolatry, adultery, theft, or murder, but we also won't commit things like rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Law of Moses.

 

[Soyeong]

Jesus is the "end of the law" for righteousness in Romans 10:4, but "end" is Greek "telos" and with "eis" it means continual, and it reads "telos gar nomou Christos eis dikaiosynēn"

"For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth"

Christ of course fulfilled the law, but we know from the OP scriptures it is perpetual, and here in Romans it shows it is a continuing righteousness, as the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us.
Rom. 8:4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

I'm interested especially in the Grk word used in Rm.10:4, telos translated as end, it inspires a study on every scripture that uses it.

While the Greek word "telos' can mean "end", it can also mean "purpose" or "goal", such as how it is used in verses like 1 Timothy 1:5, Romans 6:21-22, and James 5:11, though even "end" can mean "intention" or "aim" depending on the context of how it used.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to know God and Jesus, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursing it as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith refers to Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with Jesus ending God's eternal law, but just the opposite.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). So after Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5:17-20, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

While the Greek word "telos' can mean "end", it can also mean "purpose" or "goal", such as how it is used in verses like 1 Timothy 1:5, Romans 6:21-22, and James 5:11, though even "end" can mean "intention" or "aim" depending on the context of how it used.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to know God and Jesus, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursing it as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith refers to Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with Jesus ending God's eternal law, but just the opposite.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). So after Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5:17-20, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be.

As well as "complete" as in Gods ultimate plan

1. the last in any succession or series
2. eternal

1. that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue
2. the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose

Thanks for the "telos" as now all this pretty much covers the broad meaning of that little 5 letter word, which was reduced to a 3 letter English word. And even "End" has this definition:

2. the furthest or most extreme part or point of something. (which is comparable to extremity)

You cannot take the law any further than Jesus did, for he brought it into the very heart and thought life, not just an outward observance

Christ is the extremity of the law, bringing it to its completeness, showing us its true aim and purpose that we by faith may establish the law (Rom. 3:31)

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

While the Greek word "telos' can mean "end", it can also mean "purpose" or "goal", such as how it is used in verses like 1 Timothy 1:5, Romans 6:21-22, and James 5:11, though even "end" can mean "intention" or "aim" depending on the context of how it used.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to know God and Jesus, which is eternal life (John 17:3).

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had zeal for God, but it was not based on knowing Him, so they misunderstood the goal of the law by pursuing it as through righteousness were earned as the result of their works in order to establish their own instead of pursing it as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith refers to Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead. So nothing in this passage has anything to do with Jesus ending God's eternal law, but just the opposite.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo). So after Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5:17-20, he then proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it as it should be.

So in all to obey it would be by knowing God and Jesus by inward revelation and transformation that our obedience is from the heart. And not by outward obedience alone.

We start with outward obedience to show our willingness but we are also to seek God for inward revelation and seek the transformation and sanctification that is freedom from yielding to a weakness or sin that easily besets us. This knowing and doing right by God's transforming us by His Spirit is what is meant when it says "Put to death the deeds of the body and you shall live." Because it's no longer by our own efforts but by God having made a change in us to not want to do a particular sin anymore. That fruit is righteousness, holiness, godliness. That is the glory of God that we are to hope for.

Forgive the shortness and the lack of scripture references, I've already posted in other threads so I'm pepped out.

 

[Soyeong]

So in all to obey it would be by knowing God and Jesus by inward revelation and transformation that our obedience is from the heart. And not by outward obedience alone.

We start with outward obedience to show our willingness but we are also to seek God for inward revelation and seek the transformation and sanctification that is freedom from yielding to a weakness or sin that easily besets us. This knowing and doing right by God's transforming us by His Spirit is what is meant when it says "Put to death the deeds of the body and you shall live." Because it's no longer by our own efforts but by God having made a change in us to not want to do a particular sin anymore. That fruit is righteousness, holiness, godliness. That is the glory of God that we are to hope for.

Forgive the shortness and the lack of scripture references, I've already posted in other threads so I'm pepped out.

The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate knowledge gained through experience, such as in Genesis 4:1, Adam "knew" Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain, which is also the word uses in Exodus 33:13. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know (yada) God and refused to know Him because in 9:13, they had forsaken His law, while in 9:24, those who know God know that He delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so the way to know God is by delighting in practicing these and other aspects of God's character in obedience to His law, which is also the way to know the Son, who is the exact image of God's character (Hebrews 1:3). Likewise, in 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars, and in 1 John 3:4-6, those who continue to practice sin in transgressing of God's law have neither seen nor known him. For example, when we do what is righteous, we are knowing God by gaining experiential knowledge of who He is.

God's law was never given to see what we can accomplish through our own efforts, but rather obediently relying on God's instructions is the way to rely on God.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Additional to post #9: A testimonial: I knew such in my head but only last year did I truly get free of a many years besetting reoccurring weakness of the flesh because of a sin that got a foothold by establishing a false heart's desire. Perhaps as happened with Adam & Eve.
I didn't know that the way of deliverance from it was by more strongly desiring a true heart's desire. At that moment God transformed me, like taking a cigarette and pouring the sanctifying anointing of God upon it, which made the false desire and the sin disintegrate to nothing.
So he whom God has set free is free indeed and I give God all praise and glory for it.