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So the Ark had no keel, because there is no keel mentioned.But the animals hibernated, even if hibernation is not mentioned.
Some people might call that "making up stuff".
This forum IS for Scientific discussion of Christian topics so your comments are noted to be in opposition to the forums intention.
Seems you didn't read what this discussion is about either. Both the OP or the passage referred to.
The kind of wood used is listed, as is the finishing process used on the wood.
Because this thread is about the Bible and the story of the Ark,
it matters. Even when you feel, deep in your heart, it doesn't.
It may mean that. I couldn't find your example quote that you used to illustrated your point. There IS a process for understanding what a word means and pulling it out of it's context is opposite that prodedure.As for the literal reading of the bible in q here, literal reading is the way to avoid knowing what it really means. "god is a rock" does not mean limestone, diorite, fledspar of gneiss. Or any other kind of rock.
its particularly tough to do literal reading without even knowing what the words themselves mean. English is my second language, so maybe that is why i take its usage and meaning so seriously.
A person who keeps misusing a word, like, say "disingenuous" even after being told it makes no sense as he used it is obviously on thin ice trying to interpret what each word in the bible literally means.
My reference is to Homer's Iliad. Perhaps you have not heard of it?
There are 100 references to water in the Iliad.
But he never mentions Noah or the Ark.
A. I don't know when the Flood occurred.1. yes, i believe you dont know any historical or other kind of geology. others do; there are many good indicators of where sea level was at different times, and also for the size of the mountains.
If there was a flood tomorrow, the water would have to be 2 miles deep.2. there was no flood to melt ice layers. there certainly is no evidence to be found of such a flood. not in the ice, not nowhere. none. the work with ice cores is not easy; neither is going to the moon, or heart surgery. Being hard doesnt make it wrong.
The ice on greenland btw is about 2 miles thick, antarctica thicker. so your "flood" would have had to be deeper than that.
5 "we know" this? Who are we and how can you possibly claim to "know"?
( little weird, alleging that science oversteps from conjecture to stating facts, when you can say something like "we know" based on nothing.)
...Forget the theology, forget the dogma, forget the divisions. THIS is the only gospel that matters...
“We can truly care for a needy world with the things we throw away.” That simple statement sums up the vision of Pastor Wendell Mettey, who founded Matthew 25: Ministries
I can find no statements that suggest he agrees with your exclusion of the rest of the Gospels. Very likely, he'd disagree.
Who is Matthew 25: Ministries?
M25M is a non-denominational, ecumenical, interfaith ministry which provides humanitarian aid to those in need regardless of their religious tradition or political persuasion.
Jesus replied, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.
Ca:
I've never understood this. Why should God care what we think of him? Why the hell would he care whether we thought he existed or not? And why on earth would he punish people for not believing in him. It's ridiculous. Especially as he has given us precisely zero evidence of his existence. Peculiar sort of god. Sounds more like an insecure human prone to tantrums, don't you think?
If there is a god it is obvious that he never made any such commandment. He would be bigger than that.
And as we listen very carefully, the sound of a 747 is heard in the sky, far above SWs head.
And yet, creationists want me to believe that a 450 ft. (minimum)* vessel of ALL wood construction (no steel bracings, etc. like in the Wyoming) was able to withstand a storm of 40 days and then remain at sea for almost a year, manned by only eight people, without the efficient pumps of the turn of the century, caulked with nothing more than "pitch inside and out".
Not to mention the overwhelming necessity of the limited crew to feed and water thousands of animals and to muck out thousands of pens (and then carry the result of the mucking up two decks in order to throw it overboard). When was there time for pumping (24 hours a day if the above is any indication) and the constant re-caulking in a futile attempt to stem the flow.
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*And I got that 450 minimum figure from numerous sources, including a number of different creationist ones. It was said to be 300 cubits, and depending on which cubit you use, the length ranges from 450 feet to over 500 feet.
So the fountains of the great deep opened without making any waves in water that gushed out of them. Maybe, but according the story there was wind.There is no Storm in the story.
There was no leaking in the story.
There is no wind in the story.
It's doesn't say the animals were awake for the voyage or that food was stored on board for the voyage or that the humans needed to do anything.
They didn't even close the door behind themselves after they got in.
1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged.
2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained.
Ca:
I've never understood this. Why should God care what we think of him? Why the hell would he care whether we thought he existed or not? And why on earth would he punish people for not believing in him. It's ridiculous. Especially as he has given us precisely zero evidence of his existence. Peculiar sort of god. Sounds more like an insecure human prone to tantrums, don't you think?
If there is a god it is obvious that he never made any such commandment. He would be bigger than that.
I exist, and so GOD must exist, because Adam was created in GOD's likeness. GOD doesn't punish people because they area threat to HIM but because wicked people are a threat to HIS chosen. When one dies he either goes to be with GOD or he gets the wish and is placed to exist by himself.
Well! We have all heard of "I think therefore i am." But now we have
"I exist therefore God exists".
How could Descartes have missed that?
By this logic, when you die, god will no longer exist. Again following your logic, god did not exist before you were conceived, which means that god, and the universe, are only as old as the length of time since your conception. You've essentially stated that god's existance is wholy reliant on you, from which follows the conclusion that you are in fact god. Care to retract?I exist, and so GOD must exist
So the fountains of the great deep opened without making any waves in water that gushed out of them. Maybe, but according the story there was wind.
Genesis 8
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