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"Extrapolating from any bit of Scripture" is often part of a process known as "Bible Study". Part of those that I've attended anyway.
As the Ark Story clearly states:
The Ark had no propulsion and was a rectangle box with no keel mentioned.
Kinds, not species...correct.
Hibernation is not mentioned, yet the conditions leave little other choice. It's dark, there's not a lot of room, and the Ark had no deck.
Often people in the Bible lived longer than modern people.
As the Ark Story clearly states:
The Ark had no propulsion and was a rectangle box with no keel mentioned.
Kinds, not species...correct.
Hibernation is not mentioned, yet the conditions leave little other choice. It's dark, there's not a lot of room, and the Ark had no deck.
Often people in the Bible lived longer than modern people.
VI. Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation.
Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in the Church.
So the Ark had no keel, because there is no keel mentioned.
But the animals hibernated, even if hibernation is not mentioned.
Some people might call that "making up stuff".
You mean like filling in missing links?Some people might call that "making up stuff".
Even if he is making stuff up perhaps that's what he requires to keep himself believing plus it's all made up anyway just not by him, everyone uses whatever they need from religions anyway so it shouldn't matter to anyone else?
let them believe as they want to believe and he can do the same, it's all a load of fudge anyway so what's the problem? live and let live.
You're correct. My usage is wrong.
Do you think dad or AV1611VET chose to be what they are? and do you honestly think they could change now even if they wanted too?
I never for one moment thought you were attempting to force anyone to do anything, all I was saying was, people use religion for their own ends which could be for all kinds of reasons.
I am sure you are aware that religions are all about feelings, some feel their religion stronger than others because their need is greater, some go overboard while others appear to do nothing, everyone takes from it what they need, no more no less, in other words a body does what a body has to do.
Not at first, but after a good regimen of electroshock indoctrination, aided by healthy injections of truth serum and followed by punitive corrections where necessary, I felt like a new man!Do you think dad or AV1611VET chose to be what they are?
and do you honestly think they could change now even if they wanted too?
Where did Paul get his?...it's obvious that you were force fed creationism.
I am not sure what the point is in trying to say that the Bible accords with science. Clearly it doesn't, but clearly also, I would have thought, it is not intended to. The Bible does not belong on the same shelf in any library as scientific books, and scientific books do not belong on the same shelf as the Bible.
If people wish to make non-scientific objections to the Flood story, we can address those issues.
If people wish to make Scientific objections to the Flood Story, we can address those as well.
I doubt you know God's intention for including any details at all in the story at all. But the details are there and if people want to object and say that the boat is not big enough because the given dimensions would not hold every species, then we can refer them back to the story (that they didn't actually read first) and explain that there are no sea creatures on the Ark. Or mention of "species" even.
So that alone eliminates 2/3 of their objection.
The other 1/3 is eliminated, because they didn't read the story first.
That would be part of any Scientific procedure.
1. Read the story first.
2. Document objections.
So the objection is not Scientific at all. It's an emotional objection.
So those people are visiting the wrong forum. I'm not saying they can't visit. But it's not this forums formal goal to support their emotional objections. This forum IS for Scientific discussion of Christian topics so your comments are noted to be in opposition to the forums intention.
How can I do otherwise than let others believe as they want to?
As far as I am aware there is no process known to man to force anyone to believe anything against his will. Behaviour can be compelled, but belief cannot. We have to choose to change our minds.
Therefore, you may safely conclude that I am only expressing my own point of view, and not attempting to force anything on anyone.
This forum IS for Scientific discussion of Christian topics so your comments are noted to be in opposition to the forums intention.Noted. Meaningless.
Even if he is making stuff up perhaps that's what he requires to keep himself believing plus it's all made up anyway just not by him, everyone uses whatever they need from religions anyway so it shouldn't matter to anyone else?
let them believe as they want to believe and he can do the same, it's all a load of fudge anyway so what's the problem? live and let live.
I am sorry to hear that.
There is no evidence whatsoever that such a semantic distinction would have existed when the story of Noah was written. The safest conclusion is to accept that, actually, in this context, 'kinds' is synonymous with 'species'.
It is as nonsensical as trying to argue what kind of wood the Greeks used to construct their horse, whether they used screws, nails or wood glue, and whether they varnished it when they had finished. None of that matters.
Yes perhaps that's what happened because your god is not very good at planning things,
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