% that accept evolution per state

[jzyehoshua]

Is the claim inaccurate?

It's misleading at the least, by insinuating minors get pregnant in those states rather than adults ages 18-19, and by neglecting to mention that pregnancy rates in general are higher in those states.

 

[jzyehoshua]

Does that mean that the largest concentration of Christians should be in Africa?

Maybe there are so many missionaries to Africa because people are more receptive there to the Gospel.

 

[CabVet]

It's misleading at the least, by insinuating minors get pregnant in those states rather than adults ages 18-19, and by neglecting to mention that pregnancy rates in general are higher in those states.

So, teen pregnancy has nothing to do with abstinence (instead of normal sex-ed) education?

 

[CabVet]

Maybe there are so many missionaries to Africa because people are more receptive there to the Gospel.

Or maybe there are so many missionaries because there are so few Christians.

 

[jzyehoshua]

Or maybe there are so many missionaries because there are so few Christians.

Which in turn could be due to it having been largely unexplored until recent centuries by the developing world. What is your point?

 

[jzyehoshua]

So, teen pregnancy has nothing to do with abstinence (instead of normal sex-ed) education?

My point is that religious states have the highest pregnancy rates in general. Even data from the Guttmacher Institute shows this. (Finer and Kost, 2011, Unintended Pregnancy Rates at the State Level, pg. 4) States with the highest intended pregnancy rates are as follows:

-Utah: 74%
-Idaho: 65%
-Nevada: 60%
-Arizona: 57%
-Nebraska: 55%
-Texas: 54%
-Minnesota: 54%
-Iowa: 53%
-Alaska: 53%
-New Jersey: 53%
-North Dakota: 52%
-Colorado: 52%
-Kansas: 52%
-South Dakota: 52%
-Wyoming: 52%

More religious states have higher pregnancy rates in general, perhaps because they view children as a blessing rather than a curse.

 

[Queller]

That's a disingenuous claim, those are states where pregnancy in general is high

That is the point of the map

and teen pregnancy includes those 18-19, not necessarily minors.

True but nobody said anything about minors only.

 

[jzyehoshua]

That is the point of the map

True but nobody said anything about minors only.

Then why infer teen pregnancy rates are a bad thing when they involve adults not minors?

 

[Queller]

Then why infer teen pregnancy rates are a bad thing when they involve adults not minors?

Nobody inferred that but YOU. People on this thread are implying that because teen pregnancy doesn't just involve adults. You're also ignoring the correlation between teen pregnancy rates in states that teach abstinence only and those that teach comprehensive sex education.

 

[jzyehoshua]

Nobody inferred that but YOU. People on this thread are implying that because teen pregnancy doesn't just involve adults. You're also ignoring the correlation between teen pregnancy rates in states that teach abstinence only and those that teach comprehensive sex education.

Why does it have to be one or the other? What about states that teach both abstinence and contraception? Also, since pregnancy rates in general are higher in these states, not just among teens ages 18-19, does that mean you are arguing pregnancy in general is a bad thing? If so, why?

 

[CabVet]

Why does it have to be one or the other? What about states that teach both abstinence and contraception? Also, since pregnancy rates in general are higher in these states, not just among teens ages 18-19, does that mean you are arguing pregnancy in general is a bad thing? If so, why?

Why don't you answer the question instead of suggesting that we are arguing that pregnancy in general is bad?

See? I can answer questions with other questions too.

 

[jzyehoshua]

Why don't you answer the question instead of suggesting that we are arguing that pregnancy in general is bad?

See? I can answer questions with other questions too.

I am guessing that pregnancy rates are higher in religious states because marriage rates are higher in those states. The CDC has state statistics for the NVSS on marriages and divorce which seem to bear this out. Highest marriage rates by state in 2011 were as follows:

-Nevada: 36.9
-Hawaii: 17.6
-Arkansas: 10.4
-Tennessee: 9.0
-Utah: 8.6
-Idaho: 8.6
-Alabama: 8.4
-Vermont: 8.3
-Wyoming: 7.8
-Montana: 7.8
-Alaska: 7.8
-South Dakota: 7.5
-Florida: 7.4
-South Carolina: 7.2
-Maine: 7.2
-West Virginia: 7.2
-Texas: 7.1
-New Hampshire: 7.1
-Colorado: 7.0
-Oklahoma: 6.9
-New York: 6.9
-Indiana: 6.8
-North Carolina: 6.7
-North Dakota: 6.7
-Iowa: 6.7

 

[CabVet]

I am guessing that pregnancy rates are higher in religious states because marriage rates are higher in those states. The CDC has state statistics for the NVSS on marriages and divorce which seem to bear this out. Highest marriage rates by state in 2011 were as follows:

You mentioned divorces but left the stats out, so what about them? Are they higher in religious states too? I think so:

 

[jzyehoshua]

Which doesn't necessarily imply it's the religious in those states. Evangelical Christians have one of the lowest divorce rates, just 26%, according to a study by the Barna Group (March 31 2008, New Marriage and Divorce Statistics Released).

Conservatives and Catholics both have rates of 28%. Born again Christians have a slightly lower divorce rate (32%) than the rate for all adults and non-born again Christians, both of which are 33%. Liberals have a divorce rate of 37%. Thus, regardless of state, certain groups of Christians have much lower divorce rates than the general population.

 

[CabVet]

Which doesn't necessarily imply it's the religious in those states. Evangelical Christians have one of the lowest divorce rates, just 26%, according to a study by the Barna Group (March 31 2008, New Marriage and Divorce Statistics Released).

Conservatives and Catholics both have rates of 28%. Born again Christians have a slightly lower divorce rate (32%) than the rate for all adults and non-born again Christians, both of which are 33%. Liberals have a divorce rate of 37%. Thus, regardless of state, certain groups of Christians have much lower divorce rates than the general population.

So which is it? 26% or 32%? Those are two very different numbers.

 

[jzyehoshua]

So which is it? 26% or 32%? Those are two very different numbers.

According to the study:

All Adults: 33%

Evangelical Christians 26%
Non-evangelical born again Christians 33%
Notional Christians 33%

Associated with non Christian faith 38%
Atheist or agnostic 30%

All born again Christians 32%
All non born again Christians 33%

Protestant 34%
Catholic 28%

Upscale 22%
Downscale 39%

White 32%
African-American 36%
Hispanic 31%
Asian 20%

Conservative 28%
Moderate 33%
Liberal 37%

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[Hammster]

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