% that accept evolution per state

[Aureus]

but when an added factor is involved, namely that he said "more can be found at" and cited the same link that showed up in google search when I copied his first statement to Google. Let me ask you something, what are the odds of that?

Quite high since its the same information as that link.

 

[createdtoworship]

Son, you don't have a CLUE as to even a fraction of what I know. I spent almost as much time in college and graduate school in geology and chemistry as you spent in elementary and high school.

well then you have a very scientific answer to this then:

An example of erosion that is absurd....
"Devils Tower is dated at
over 50 Ma and supposedly has been subjected to erosion
for millions of years. Why hasn't erosion reduced Devils
Tower down to a small igneous knob by now? There have
been millions of freeze-thaw cycles over the 50 million year
period in eastern Wyoming to loosen the rock. "

above from creationontheweb.com
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/tj/j10_2/j10_2_258-278.pdf



here is just one picture of the rock in question:

 

[Split Rock]

well then you have a very scientific answer to this then:

An example of erosion that is absurd....
"Devils Tower is dated at
over 50 Ma and supposedly has been subjected to erosion
for millions of years. Why hasn't erosion reduced Devils
Tower down to a small igneous knob by now? There have
been millions of freeze-thaw cycles over the 50 million year
period in eastern Wyoming to loosen the rock. "

above from creationontheweb.com
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/tj/j10_2/j10_2_258-278.pdf



here is just one picture of the rock in question:

Because igneous rock is more resilient than the limestone and shale that were around it. Now I have a question. Why didn't the mighty flood waters wash it away?

 

[mzungu]

well then you have a very scientific answer to this then:

An example of erosion that is absurd....
"Devils Tower is dated at
over 50 Ma and supposedly has been subjected to erosion
for millions of years. Why hasn't erosion reduced Devils
Tower down to a small igneous knob by now? There have
been millions of freeze-thaw cycles over the 50 million year
period in eastern Wyoming to loosen the rock. "

above from creationontheweb.com
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/tj/j10_2/j10_2_258-278.pdf


here is just one picture of the rock in question:

Because it belongs to the Devil and nobody can mess with it

 

[florida2]

Because igneous rock is more resilient than the limestone and shale that were around it. Now I have a question. Why didn't the mighty flood waters wash it away?

Indeed. This is also the explanation for similar rocks which seem to just stick randomly out of the surrounding, like Ayres Rock for example.

Some areas of rock are very tough and resilient to erosion - some areas are weaker. After a few million years - guess what - you're left with just the tough rock.

 

[createdtoworship]

Because igneous rock is more resilient than the limestone and shale that were around it. Now I have a question. Why didn't the mighty flood waters wash it away?

since when do floods typically wash away mountains? Granted if the rains lasted more than a month, they might do some damage due to water erosion, however not nearly enough to "wash it away" for 40 days. As it is anchored obviously in the bed rock. Freeze thaw cycles typically found in yosemite will crack solid granite. "Areas with a moist temperate climate are subjected to frequent freeze and thaw cycles. Freeze-thaw cycles affect rocks because when water seeps into cracks in a rock and then freezes it expands putting tremendous pressure (24 tons per ft2) on the rock, forcing the cracks to expand. Over time this type of physical weathering can cause even the strongest rocks to break apart. " above quote from:http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/hazards/mass_wasting.cfm

we know crook county had a lot of blizzards and freezing weather:
http://www.crookcounty.wy.gov/departments/emergency_management/docs/Chapt__15___Winter_Storms.pdf

Now what is your theory for why devils tower still exists?

 

[Gracchus]

well then you have a very scientific answer to this then:

An example of erosion that is absurd....
"Devils Tower is dated at
over 50 Ma and supposedly has been subjected to erosion
for millions of years. Why hasn't erosion reduced Devils
Tower down to a small igneous knob by now? There have
been millions of freeze-thaw cycles over the 50 million year
period in eastern Wyoming to loosen the rock. "

above from creationontheweb.com
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/tj/j10_2/j10_2_258-278.pdf



here is just one picture of the rock in question:

Because igneous rock is more resilient than the limestone and shale that were around it. Now I have a question. Why didn't the mighty flood waters wash it away?

Almost right! There are two kinds of volcanic peaks: Shield cones and cinder cones.

Shield cones, like Mauna Loa in Hawaii, are low, with gradual slopes, and formed from flowing basalt lava. Cinder cones, like Fuji or Mt. Shasta are formed from the ejecta of violent eruptions and are usually piles of volcanic cinder interlaced with lava flows that hold it together. The Devils Tower is a volcanic neck, a plug of magma, which rose inside the vent of a cindercone and cooled there, more slowly than surface magma. It is far more resistant to erosion than the cinder cone itself. And Devils Tower is eroding, when water freezes in the cracks. Around its base is the fallen rubble.

Different rocks can vary in hardness and erosion resistance. Outside of Fresno, CA, there is a sandstone river delta perched on a granite pedestal. It used to be at the base of the Sierra Nevada, but the range has eroded eastward, leaving the old delta from an outflowing river as a small sloping butte, hundreds of feet higher than the surrounding granite bedrock. The caprock protected the granite pedestal from erosion. This is because the quartz sand and quartzite pebbles of the caprock are more resistant to chemical decomposition than the mica, feldspar and amphibole crystals that bind quartz together in granites. These softer components degrade, leaving your typical quartz sand.

Oh! In regard to Split Rocks's question: One reason the waters of Noah's flood didn't wash away Devil's Tower is because Noah's flood never happened. (I suspect he knew that!)

Geology is a lot simpler to understand than biology. Read a book.

 

[Split Rock]

since when do floods typically wash away mountains? Granted if the rains lasted more than a month, they might do some damage due to water erosion, however not nearly enough to "wash it away" for 40 days. As it is anchored obviously in the bed rock. Freeze thaw cycles typically found in yosemite will crack solid granite. "Areas with a moist temperate climate are subjected to frequent freeze and thaw cycles. Freeze-thaw cycles affect rocks because when water seeps into cracks in a rock and then freezes it expands putting tremendous pressure (24 tons per ft2) on the rock, forcing the cracks to expand. Over time this type of physical weathering can cause even the strongest rocks to break apart. " above quote from:NPS: Nature & Science» Geologic Resources - Hazards

we know crook county had a lot of blizzards and freezing weather:
http://www.crookcounty.wy.gov/departments/emergency_management/docs/Chapt__15___Winter_Storms.pdf

Now what is your theory for why devils tower still exists?

Because igneous rock is more resilient than the limestone and shale that was around it, and have since eroded. This has left the volcanic rock.

Did the flood waters create the Grand Canyon?

 

[Naturalism]

Regarding the world wide noachian flood. I always wondered, how were the Pyramids built right after it with so few people?

 

[CabVet]

Regarding the world wide noachian flood. I always wondered, how were the Pyramids built right after it with so few people?

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[Strathos]

Regarding the world wide noachian flood. I always wondered, how were the Pyramids built right after it with so few people?

I've asked this before.

One answer I got was that they were built with the help of demons.

 

[digitalgoth]

I've asked this before.

One answer I got was that they were built with the help of demons.

Never discount enslaving their progeny. I mean, these people lived hundreds of years and had literally nothing to do. I would assume that if they were basically hooking up constantly, and God prevented incestuous mutations, then pretty quickly there would be a large number of people.

Since Judaism (and since Christians worship the Torah) clearly love slavery in their own books, then it makes sense to have enslaved their own progeny. Because servants.

Slave's are low cost to high productivity manual labor, and after a few religions appearing out of thin air for several thousand years you get pyramids.

So that Moses can go on a killing spree.

 

[createdtoworship]

Because igneous rock is more resilient than the limestone and shale that was around it, and have since eroded. This has left the volcanic rock.

Did the flood waters create the Grand Canyon?

the link in my last post proves that your theory is innacurate in this case, as your theory only reflects water erosion not freeze thaw cycles that take place multiple times every winter there (as the other link proves). so you are left without argument.

your question "Did the flood waters create the Grand Canyon?" is a red herring and I would love to answer it after this discussion.

 

[createdtoworship]

Regarding the world wide noachian flood. I always wondered, how were the Pyramids built right after it with so few people?

probably by enslaved israelites, but what does this have to do with evolution? And please answer my question about devils tower.

 

[CabVet]

probably by enslaved israelites, but what does this have to do with evolution? And please answer my question about devils tower.

Where did the enslaved israelites come from?

 

[JGG]

probably by enslaved israelites, but what does this have to do with evolution? And please answer my question about devils tower.

Where did these Israelites spring up from, right after the flood?

 

[Gracchus]

And please answer my question about devils tower.

"Geologists Carpenter and Russell studied Devils Tower in the late 19th century and came to the conclusion that it was formed by an igneous intrusion. Modern geologists agree that it was formed by the intrusion of igneous material, but not on exactly how that process took place. Several believe the molten rock comprising the Tower might not have surfaced; others are convinced the tower is all that remains of what once was a large explosive volcano.

In 1907, scientists Darton and O'Harra decided that Devils Tower must be an eroded remnant of a laccolith. A laccolith is a large mass of igneous rock which is intruded through sedimentary rock beds without reaching the surface, but makes a rounded bulge in the sedimentary layers above. This theory was quite popular in the early 20th century since numerous studies had earlier been done on laccoliths in the Southwest.

Other theories have suggested that Devils Tower is a volcanic plug or that it is the neck of an extinct volcano. Presumably, if Devils Tower was a volcanic plug, any volcanics created by it — volcanic ash, lava flows, volcanic debris — would have been eroded away long ago. Some pyroclastic material of the same age as Devils Tower has been identified elsewhere in Wyoming."

Devils Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another example of this peculiarly columnar phenomenon is a flow on slope of the Sierra Nevada, called The Devil's Postpile National Monument. It is however a flow of basalt rather than the phonolite porphyry of the Devil's Tower.

Now I learned all this over 50 years ago in a summer-school course I took between the 9th and 10th grades, and I know the information is out there for anyone to find fairly easily on Wikipedia or at the site of the National Park Service, so I also know if you really wanted to know the answer to your question you could have looked it up.

I thus conclude that either:

1. You were too stupid to know that you could look it up. I regard that degree of stupidity unlikely, but, at least, it would not be your fault.

2. You were too lazy to look it up. This is, I would suppose, a possibility, but does reveal a distinct character flaw.

3. You don't really care about the answer, but thought you could confound someone in argument. This would be fairly dishonest.

Is there some other reason you asked the question, and avoid acknowledging the answer? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Gracchus]

Regarding the world wide noachian flood. I always wondered, how were the Pyramids built right after it with so few people?

probably by enslaved israelites, ...

Except that archaeologists have found the towns where the workmen lived and even documents recording their payment. The pyramids were not built by Hebrew slaves, they were built by Egyptian workmen. I understand that you can pull any old answer you want out of your ... imagination, if you are in church, but the real world is less impressed with fictional answers to real questions.

...but what does this have to do with evolution? And please answer my question about devils tower.

It has nothing to do with evolution, but then neither does the Devil's Tower! Nevertheless, that question has been answered, several times, although you seem to be ignoring the answer.

 

[bhsmte]

"Geologists Carpenter and Russell studied Devils Tower in the late 19th century and came to the conclusion that it was formed by an igneous intrusion. Modern geologists agree that it was formed by the intrusion of igneous material, but not on exactly how that process took place. Several believe the molten rock comprising the Tower might not have surfaced; others are convinced the tower is all that remains of what once was a large explosive volcano.

In 1907, scientists Darton and O'Harra decided that Devils Tower must be an eroded remnant of a laccolith. A laccolith is a large mass of igneous rock which is intruded through sedimentary rock beds without reaching the surface, but makes a rounded bulge in the sedimentary layers above. This theory was quite popular in the early 20th century since numerous studies had earlier been done on laccoliths in the Southwest.

Other theories have suggested that Devils Tower is a volcanic plug or that it is the neck of an extinct volcano. Presumably, if Devils Tower was a volcanic plug, any volcanics created by it — volcanic ash, lava flows, volcanic debris — would have been eroded away long ago. Some pyroclastic material of the same age as Devils Tower has been identified elsewhere in Wyoming."

Devils Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another example of this peculiarly columnar phenomenon is a flow on slope of the Sierra Nevada, called The Devil's Postpile National Monument. It is however a flow of basalt rather than the phonolite porphyry of the Devil's Tower.

Now I learned all this over 50 years ago in a summer-school course I took between the 9th and 10th grades, and I know the information is out there for anyone to find fairly easily on Wikipedia or at the site of the National Park Service, so I also know if you really wanted to know the answer to your question you could have looked it up.

I thus conclude that either:

1. You were too stupid to know that you could look it up. I regard that degree of stupidity unlikely, but, at least, it would not be your fault.

2. You were too lazy to look it up. This is, I would suppose, a possibility, but does reveal a distinct character flaw.

3. You don't really care about the answer, but thought you could confound someone in argument. This would be fairly dishonest.

Is there some other reason you asked the question, and avoid acknowledging the answer? Inquiring minds want to know.

After observing this particular poster for a time, I pick number 3.

 

[Split Rock]

the link in my last post proves that your theory is innacurate in this case, as your theory only reflects water erosion not freeze thaw cycles that take place multiple times every winter there (as the other link proves). so you are left without argument.

Your links did not show that the tower should have eroded away by now. Show us your calculations that show that weathering and freeze-thaw cycles should have eroded the tower more than it has eroded (and continues to do so). Your links did not provide this.

Also, it is not "my theory." I can take no credit, since I am not a geologist. Only creationists seem to think they know more than the experts do about biology, geology, astronomy, thermodynamics, etc.

your question "Did the flood waters create the Grand Canyon?" is a red herring and I would love to answer it after this discussion.

I only asked after your comment concerning the inability of a mass flood to erode rock. It is quote reasonable, unlike what most creationists tell me about the subject.