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[FreeinChrist]

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[tampasteve]

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[Yttrium]

Takes more faith to believe in evolution rather than in a creator imo

I always appreciate it when people promote lack of faith, since I lack faith in anything myself. Faith in scientific theories can lead one to avoid trying to disprove them, which is a major part of the scientific method. One can consider that a scientific theory is the most likely explanation without throwing faith into it.

Not sure that's where you were going with that, though. Taking a non-faith approach to Christianity sounds like a tricky thing to do. But I wouldn't dissuade people from trying.

 

[Astrid]

I always appreciate it when people promote lack of faith, since I lack faith in anything myself. Faith in scientific theories can lead one to avoid trying to disprove them, which is a major part of the scientific method. One can consider that a scientific theory is the most likely explanation without throwing faith into it.

Not sure that's where you were going with that, though. Taking a non-faith approach to Christianity sounds like a tricky thing to do. But I wouldn't dissuade people from trying.

The translation appears to be:

"Evolution is such blatantly obvious
garbage that it boggles the mind how
anyone could be that stupid!!

Only blind faith bordering on madness could
allow such belief".

Of course, once you find out what they think
ToE is about, you gotta agree. Nobody in their
right mind would believe such idiocy.

 

[BCP1928]

Takes more faith to believe in evolution rather than in a creator imo

I'm sorry you feel you have to make that choice.

 

[SelfSim]

FWIW: I don't believe in the theory of Evolution .. I can go even further and say it is scientifically true though, without believing in it.

See, at no point is it ever necessary to say 'if the theory Evolution is true ..', because the truth of the theory is already established by the existing set of evidence .. there's no 'if' involved .. it's an inference .. not an assumption.
The theory of Evolution was conceived because the evidence already existed and it happened to be gathered together by the likes of Darwin, who conceived the beginnings of the theory.

 

[AG_BIC96]

FWIW: I don't believe in the theory of Evolution .. I can say it is scientifically true though, without believing in it.

See, at no point is it ever necessary to say 'if the theory Evolution is true ..', because the truth of the theory is already established by the existing set of evidence .. there's no 'if' involved .. it's an inference .. not an assumption.
The theory of Evolution was conceived because the evidence already existed and it happened to be gathered together by the likes of Darwin, who conceived the beginnings of the theory.

You have faith in science in other words idolize science as the be all end all answer. God is above what we perceive with our natural eyes as objective evidence and reality. He created everything and I and many other believers while not denouncing science in its entirety don’t subscribe to certain scientific beliefs because our faith is not in science. If you choose to have faith in science that’s your choice but not everyone does. You and other skeptics can present as much scientific “truths and evidence” but believers will not entertain such ideas not because we don’t want to consider an alternative view point but anything that is in direct opposition or contradicting the gospel simply cannot be true because we have faith that God in all his infinite wisdom and intelligence supersedes man made ideas and observations.

 

[AG_BIC96]

FWIW: I don't believe in the theory of Evolution .. I can go even further and say it is scientifically true though, without believing in it.

See, at no point is it ever necessary to say 'if the theory Evolution is true ..', because the truth of the theory is already established by the existing set of evidence .. there's no 'if' involved .. it's an inference .. not an assumption.
The theory of Evolution was conceived because the evidence already existed and it happened to be gathered together by the likes of Darwin, who conceived the beginnings of the theory.

In other words in our view point God puts human intelligence and wisdom to shame.

 

[sjastro]

You have faith in science in other words idolize science as the be all end all answer. God is above what we perceive with our natural eyes as objective evidence and reality. He created everything and I and many other believers while not denouncing science in its entirety don’t subscribe to certain scientific beliefs because our faith is not in science. If you choose to have faith in science that’s your choice but not everyone does. You and other skeptics can present as much scientific “truths and evidence” but believers will not entertain such ideas not because we don’t want to consider an alternative view point but anything that is in direct opposition or contradicting the gospel simply cannot be true because we have faith that God in all his infinite wisdom and intelligence supersedes man made ideas and observations.

Where do individuals who are Christians and scientists like myself fit into the scope of your post which strongly suggests you can't be both.

 

[AG_BIC96]

Where do individuals who are Christians and scientists like myself fit into the scope of your post which strongly suggests you can't be both.

You have to believe in one over the other there is no in between I learned the hard way. You can have an interest in both and support your faith by utilizing science as a tool but if science is in direct opposition to your faith then we still have a responsibility to uphold the faith irregardless of what science says because anything else is idolatry or having faith in science over God. So you have to make that choice, it’s not an easy choice but ask God and he will show you how.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where do individuals who are Christians and scientists like myself fit into the scope of your post which strongly suggests you can't be both.

Name one thing in the Bible you believe to be true, in spite of what science says, not with respect to what it says.

 

[AG_BIC96]

Where do individuals who are Christians and scientists like myself fit into the scope of your post which strongly suggests you can't be both.

Who do you believe more the creator of the universe or man who is flawed with limited understanding due to his human nature. I reasoned with that and I chose to me what made more logical sense.

 

[BCP1928]

You have to believe in one over the other there is no in between I learned the hard way. You can have an interest in both and support your faith by utilizing science as a tool but if science is in direct opposition to your faith then we still have a responsibility to uphold the faith irregardless of what science says because anything else is idolatry or having faith in science over God. So you have to make that choice, it’s not an easy choice but ask God and he will show you how.

OK, but the point I made was about belief in a creator God, not about the Bible. If you "Believe the Bible" as a literal and accurate historical account, then yes, you have to make a choice. But it's not a choice about whether you believe in a creator God or not.

 

[SelfSim]

.. but if science is in direct opposition to your faith ..

Its not 'faith' .. see that word 'faith' or even 'not faith' has nothing to do with my decision to not walk off the pavement into an oncoming bus!
I know from an extensively demonstrated set of evidence (and many supporting theories) that if I do that, I'm going to end up as toast. I suspect that view I have is exactly the same for you .. regardless of your faith(?) There's no faith there.
Making accurate predictions in the the real world/universe, has nothing to do with faith.

then we still have a responsibility to uphold the faith irregardless of what science says because anything else is idolatry or having faith in science over God. So you have to make that choice, it’s not an easy choice but ask God and he will show you how.

Again .. my above example is not any form of idolatry (whatever that's supposed to mean).
I think you may have misinterpreted what science means for me(?)

 

[AG_BIC96]

OK, but the point I made was about belief in a creator God, not about the Bible. If you "Believe the Bible" as a literal and accurate historical account, then yes, you have to make a choice. But it's not a choice about whether you believe in a creator God or

OK, but the point I made was about belief in a creator God, not about the Bible. If you "Believe the Bible" as a literal and accurate historical account, then yes, you have to make a choice. But it's not a choice about whether you believe in a creator God or not.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that you believe in a creator God and that science is not in direct opposition with that belief? If that’s the case then I don’t have much to say to you. I can’t speak on something I no longer subscribe to. If you believe in the biblical narrative then yes idolizing science or upholding science to a higher regard than your belief system is not something you want to do.

 

[AG_BIC96]

Its not 'faith' .. see that word 'faith', or even 'not faith', has nothing to do with my decision to not walk off the pavement into an oncoming bus!
I know from an extensively demonstrated set of evidence (and many supoprting theories) that if I do that, I'm going to end up as toast. I suspect that view I have is exactly the same for you .. regardless of your faith(?) There's no faith there.
Making accurate predictions in the the real world/universe, has nothing to do with faith.

Again .. my above example is not any form of idolatry (whatever that's supposed to mean).
I think you may have misinterpreted what science means for me(?)

I’m not obligated to debate with anyone. I know who my God is and I have full trust in him just as you have your trust and allegiance to science, so it’s all good. There is no sense in debating if it will just lead to quarreling and further misunderstandings if you can’t or won’t understand where I’m coming from then that’s okay we can agree to disagree.

 

[BCP1928]

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that you believe in a creator God and that science is not in direct opposition with that belief? If that’s the case then I don’t have much to say to you. I can’t speak on something I no longer subscribe to. If you believe in the biblical narrative then yes idolizing science or upholding science to a higher regard than your belief system is not something you want to do.

Of course. But it is good to keep in mind that people of other branches of Christianity and other faiths believe just as devotedly in their creator God as you do in yours. To deny or belittle the authenticity of their faith is not a strong position for you to take in this discussion.

 

[AV1611VET]

OK, but the point I made was about belief in a creator God, not about the Bible. If you "Believe the Bible" as a literal and accurate historical account, then yes, you have to make a choice. But it's not a choice about whether you believe in a creator God or not.

Could "a creator God" create His own library?

 

[BCP1928]

Could "a creator God" create His own library?

Of course. Did he? That's a matter of faith--what we like to bug you by calling an "unfalsifiable proposition," Do we properly understand it? Various groups claim absolute certainty that they do, but the groups are constantly at odds with one another. So maybe that is a matter of faith, too.

 

[SelfSim]

I’m not obligated to debate with anyone. I know who my God is and I have full trust in him just as you have your trust and allegiance to science, so it’s all good. There is no sense in debating if it will just lead to quarreling and further misunderstandings if you can’t or won’t understand where I’m coming from then that’s okay we can agree to disagree.

I'm pretty clear that I understand where you're coming from.
What's also clear to me, is that science and your beliefs are only related by the fact that they are both products of the human mind. This, itself, is also easily demonstrable via science.

At the end of the day, what matters (to me) the most, is when people think not only that things from their faith exist, but also that the attributes of such faith, is used by them, as justification to export their beliefs onto me, (and others).