Testable Creation Facts

[Aman777]

1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016

4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (Adam's descendants). This is so successful that we now have some 7.7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) on planet Earth.

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came forth from Heaven or Air, the first thing created and inside was Oxygen and Hydrogen.

That's God's irrefutable Truth written more than 3k years ago. It's testable evidence of the literal God since NO man of the time knew any of this. Try to refute just one of these testable facts. Amen?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016

4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (Adam's descendants). This is so successful that we now have some 7.7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) on planet Earth.

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came forth from Heaven or Air, the first thing created and inside was Oxygen and Hydrogen.

That's God's irrefutable Truth written more than 3k years ago. It's testable evidence of the literal God since NO man of the time knew any of this. Try to refute just one of these testable facts. Amen?

You've been refuted every time you throw down that challenge. If you continue it will constitute trolling

 

[Ophiolite]

You've been refuted every time you throw down that challenge. If you continue it will constitute trolling

You are a couple of years and several deviated threads late.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You are a couple of years and several deviated threads late.

I've been part of too many of those threads. It's really time to call him to account.

 

[Aman777]

You've been refuted every time you throw down that challenge. If you continue it will constitute trolling

Really? Do you think that people who believe in evolution, that I have refuted, should also be guilty of trolling? Show us where you have refuted (proven wrong) my views.

 

[Aman777]

I've been part of too many of those threads. It's really time to call him to account.

Bring it on. I love to discuss God's creation of the perfect Heaven. God bless you

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Really? Do you think that people who believe in evolution, that I have refuted, should also be guilty of trolling?

If you ever manage to refute anything to do with evolution I'll back you all the way with an accusation of trolling.

Show us where you have refuted (proven wrong) my views.

Me personally? Pick any thread (other than this one) where I have responded to your posts.

 

[Gene2memE]

Really? Do you think that people who believe in evolution, that I have refuted, should also be guilty of trolling?

You really (really) haven't refuted anything.

Your "evidence" for your position(s) generally consists of:

1. A wildly fanciful re-interpretation of the Abrahimic creation story, replete with apparently willful errors across theological, historical and scientific grounds
2. A single map of the Fertile Crescent
3. A single news media reference to the last universal common ancestor having developed in water

Show us where you have refuted (proven wrong) my views.

1 is wrong, with no known facts even coincidentally agreeing with your interpretation.

2 is wrong, promulgating a picture of the upper Paleolithic and early Epipaleolithic that has progressively become outdated since the 1970s. Reality is VASTLY more complicated, with evidence of both independently arising civilisations and cross fertilising civilisations in the Near East, South and Southwest Asia, North Asia, Souther Europe and Mesoamerica in the pre-Neolithic period.

3 is wrong, because I've actually read (and mostly understood) the study that NY Times article is based on, and it doesn't say what you are representing it as. It suggests that LUCA "inhabited a geochemically active environment rich in H2, CO2 and iron", which supports a "theory of an autotrophic origin of life involving the Wood–Ljungdahl pathway in a hydrothermal setting". Even this is not certain, and there is a strong argument that this is not describing the LUCA, but rather one of a series of progenitors. See https://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/nmicrobiol.2016.229 for discussion

 

[Kylie]

1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016

Please show me that scientists had no idea life started in the water prior to 2016.

Also, please explain how Genesis 1:24 (using the exact same terminology as Genesis 1:21) called forth life from the Earth. The Bible itself disproves your claim.

4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (Adam's descendants). This is so successful that we now have some 7.7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) on planet Earth.

Please provide support for your claim that there were already prehistoric people around when God made Adam.

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came forth from Heaven or Air, the first thing created and inside was Oxygen and Hydrogen.

How do you think Heaven and Earth mean hydrogen and Oxygen?

That's God's irrefutable Truth written more than 3k years ago. It's testable evidence of the literal God since NO man of the time knew any of this. Try to refute just one of these testable facts. Amen?

No, it's you twisting things to suit your own personal interpretation of the Bible.

And how do you get a list of numbers 1, 4 and 5? What happened to 2 and 3?

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Show us where you have refuted (proven wrong) my views.

Me personally? Pick any thread (other than this one) where I have responded to your posts.

Do you actually believe that replying is the same as refuting?

 

[Aman777]

If you ever manage to refute anything to do with evolution I'll back you all the way with an accusation of trolling.

Easy, since evolution teaches that today's modern Humans evolved from the last universal common ancestor, which SUDDENLY appeared in Water, 3.8 billion years ago, in man's time, which is the 5th Day of the Creation of the perfect Heaven. Genesis 1:21 After the Apes appeared, the "supposed" Humans diverged from Chimps and looked like Lucy, small but walking upright.

Today's Science does NOT agree with what History shows and that is that the FIRST traits of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared in Northern Mesopotamia at the same time Noah walked down from the mile high Lake Van into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Civilization, on this Earth. Humanity (descendants of Adam) had arrived on this planet of Apes.

The only evolution which took place was that Humans, (Noah's grandsons) with the most superior intelligence in creation, married and produced children with the prehistoric people, (sons of God) who were already here when the Ark arrived 11k years ago, in the mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us in Genesis 8:4.

Evolution is wrong because we did NOT evolve from the last universal common ancestor on planet Earth, but instead; we were created to have dominion or rule over everything God created. We are NOT apes, but instead, we are the intellectual giants, the Nephiyl, the combination of Adam's superior intelligence and the DNA of prehistoric mankind. Genesis 6:4 That's God's irrefutable Truth. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

You really (really) haven't refuted anything.

Read my last post and see if you agree or not.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

That's God's irrefutable Truth.

On the contrary, that claim is a lie.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Do you actually believe that replying is the same as refuting?

No I don't, and I stand by my claim. Feel free to pick any thread and I'll show you where you were refuted.

 

[Ophiolite]

Easy, since evolution teaches that today's modern Humans evolved from the last universal common ancestor, which SUDDENLY appeared in Water, 3.8 billion years ago, in man's time, which is the 5th Day of the Creation of the perfect Heaven. Genesis 1:21 After the Apes appeared, the "supposed" Humans diverged from Chimps and looked like Lucy, small but walking upright.

Today's Science does NOT agree with what History shows and that is that the FIRST traits of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared in Northern Mesopotamia at the same time Noah walked down from the mile high Lake Van into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Civilization, on this Earth. Humanity (descendants of Adam) had arrived on this planet of Apes.

The only evolution which took place was that Humans, (Noah's grandsons) with the most superior intelligence in creation, married and produced children with the prehistoric people, (sons of God) who were already here when the Ark arrived 11k years ago, in the mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us in Genesis 8:4.

Evolution is wrong because we did NOT evolve from the last universal common ancestor on planet Earth, but instead; we were created to have dominion or rule over everything God created. We are NOT apes, but instead, we are the intellectual giants, the Nephiyl, the combination of Adam's superior intelligence and the DNA of prehistoric mankind. Genesis 6:4 That's God's irrefutable Truth. Amen?

There is no refutation in that post.

A refutation is not an assertion.
A refutation is not a concatenation of assertions.
A refutation is not an agglomeration of assertions.
A refutation is not an ongoing repetition of assertions.
A refutation is not an assertion that assertions are a refutation.

A refutation requires evidence. You have presented none.
A refutation requires logic. You have used none.
A refutation requires structured argument. You have offered none.
A refutation requires clarity. You have dealt in obfuscation.
A refutation requires substantive argument. You have delivered a miasmal fog.

F-

 

[Aman777]

Please show me that scientists had no idea life started in the water prior to 2016.

Some STILL think that abiogenesis, or magical chemical generation, is the creator.

Also, please explain how Genesis 1:24 (using the exact same terminology as Genesis 1:21) called forth life from the Earth. The Bible itself disproves your claim.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their (eternal) kind, and every winged fowl after his (temporary) kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Who made cattle? Lord God or Jesus did. Genesis 2:19 His name in the OT is YHWH, which no man can say. Some have added vowels and called Him Jehovah. Without Him was not anything made which was made. Jhn 1:3 God told Jesus to make the creatures from the ground and let Adam name them.

Please provide support for your claim that there were already prehistoric people around when God made Adam.

God made Adam long before Noah arrived on this Earth. Adam was "formed" from the dust on the 3rd Day by Lord God/Jesus. He lived with Jesus in a body like that of God for billions of years. On the 5th Day, which is some 9 billion years AFTER Adam was made, God created "every living creature that moveth" from Water. After Adam, sinned, he found himself in a body of flesh like that of the prehistoric people who had evolved from Water.

Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry so they married and produced children with the prehistoric people who were here 11k years ago. History agrees:

• 10,000–9,000 years ago (8000 BC to 7000 BC): In northern Mesopotamia, now northern Iraq, cultivation of barley and wheat begins. At first they are used for beer, gruel, and soup, eventually for bread.[35] In early agriculture at this time, the planting stick is used, but it is replaced by a primitive plow in subsequent centuries.[36] Around this time, a round stone tower, now preserved to about 8.5 meters high and 8.5 meters in diameter is built in Jericho.[37]

Some believe that Jericho is the oldest city because prehistoric people used to come to the Oasis there. Since today's Science does NOT know the difference between prehistoric people and Humans (descendants of Adam), their timeline is false.

How do you think Heaven and Earth mean hydrogen and Oxygen?

I don't. I simply point out that the FIRST sentence in the Bible does NOT show that Water was created, along with the air/heaven and earth/ground. God KNEW that water was within the air/heaven, so He did NOT say that he "created" water. This is correct scientifically since water is a compound of two gases in the air.

No, it's you twisting things to suit your own personal interpretation of the Bible.

Then, where are the Christians who know the Bible? Why don't they accuse me of what you do? Do you think Christians would allow twisting God's Holy Word?

And how do you get a list of numbers 1, 4 and 5? What happened to 2 and 3?

I have 11 examples of how Genesis AGREES with the discoveries of Science, history, genetics and math. So far, NO ONE has been able to refute (prove me wrong) on ANY of them. This confirms that God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

No I don't, and I stand by my claim. Feel free to pick any thread and I'll show you where you were refuted.

How bout the last one you got shut down?

 

[Aman777]

There is no refutation in that post.

A refutation is not an assertion.
A refutation is not a concatenation of assertions.
A refutation is not an agglomeration of assertions.
A refutation is not an ongoing repetition of assertions.
A refutation is not an assertion that assertions are a refutation.

A refutation requires evidence. You have presented none.
A refutation requires logic. You have used none.
A refutation requires structured argument. You have offered none.
A refutation requires clarity. You have dealt in obfuscation.
A refutation requires substantive argument. You have delivered a miasmal fog.

F-

Thanks for your unbelieving opinion. Can you explain WHY the believers in evolution disagree with me so much? Is it because they are frustrated?

 

[Gene2memE]

Easy, since evolution teaches that today's modern Humans evolved from the last universal common ancestor, which SUDDENLY appeared in Water, 3.8 billion years ago

Except, that's not what is taught in evolutionary biology.

"Suddenly" is a relative term here, relating to geological time scales. It's not sudden as in 'near instant', but sudden as in 'happened over a period of 10s or 100s of thousands of years'.

If you read the literature, you'd also know that LUCA definitely wasn't the first life. There were other life forms that proceeded it, and things that were proto life before that. Also that LUCA wasn't the sole existing life form even when it was alive, its just the earliest thing that all other life is genetically related to.

in man's time, which is the 5th Day of the Creation of the perfect Heaven. Genesis 1:21

This is just your interpolation of the Abrahmic creation story. It has no correlation with reality though.

After the Apes appeared, the "supposed" Humans diverged from Chimps and looked like Lucy, small but walking upright.

I suppose you're well researched on early hominid evolution, right?So I don't need to explain to you that because humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor and both are extant species, it means it is impossible for there to have been a situation where "Humans diverged from Chimps".

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Today's Science does NOT agree with what History shows and that is that the FIRST traits of modern Humans SUDDENLY appeared in Northern Mesopotamia at the same time Noah walked down from the mile high Lake Van into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Civilization, on this Earth. Humanity (descendants of Adam) had arrived on this planet of Apes.

Nothing in history, archeology, anthropology or paleo-anthropology suggests a "sudden" emergence of traits of modern humans. Also, nothing in any of the above suggests that Northern Mesopotamia was a sole 'Cradle of Civilization'.

Rather, what has emerged from research in the past 40 to 50 years is a picture of increasingly complexity of human societies over around 100,000 years, taking place over a broadly diversified set of geographies.

Humans developed simple tools, specalised tools, musical instruments, jewellery, art, had permanent settlements, buried their dead, harvested grains and started to develop complex societies all prior to 15,000 BP.

You've never really defined what you mean by "the FIRST traits of modern Humans" by the way. So it's actually very difficult to rebuff your vague assertions with more historical fact.

The only evolution which took place was that Humans, (Noah's grandsons) with the most superior intelligence in creation, married and produced children with the prehistoric people, (sons of God) who were already here when the Ark arrived 11k years ago, in the mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us in Genesis 8:4.

Evolution is wrong because we did NOT evolve from the last universal common ancestor on planet Earth, but instead; we were created to have dominion or rule over everything God created. We are NOT apes, but instead, we are the intellectual giants, the Nephiyl, the combination of Adam's superior intelligence and the DNA of prehistoric mankind. Genesis 6:4 That's God's irrefutable Truth. Amen?

How about this.

You develop a falisfiable test for the above hypothesis, and If it passes, I'll agree that its testable.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

How bout the last one you got shut down?

Which thread do you think I "got shut down"? Link please.