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<blockquote data-quote="dgiharris" data-source="post: 70920716" data-attributes="member: 322579"><p>Not so fast...</p><p></p><p>the statement <span style="color: #a64dff"> “less than the price of a regular roof when accounting for energy generation” </span> makes me cringe. That is how the marketing guys hide the real costs and get into voodoo math to make it "seem" cheaper.</p><p></p><p>Also, I suspect that government subsidies factor into the savings. </p><p></p><p>Lastly, it doesn't include repair costs. When your normal roof leaks, it costs anywhere from a few hundred to maybe $1000-ish to fix. Then this roof starts leaking or having problems, what is the repair on that going to be? Instead of roofers now you are talking roofers + electricians. </p><p></p><p>Overall, I'm not saying that a solar roof is bad. I'm just saying that the marketing guys almost always lie with these claims. You assume "price A" for electricity then assume "Price B" for the energy produced by solar (which they will always pick the optimal theoretical values) then amortize that over 50, 60, 70 years... and viola, WOW, the savings are huge and pay for themselves...</p><p></p><p>All of the above "neglects" maintenance and upkeep and problems etc. </p><p></p><p>Don't mean to bleep on your parade, it's just that Solar is a bone of contention with me. It is a pipe dream they have been repackaging over and over and over again since the 70s. There is very little that is new or revolutionary about solar technology today vs 30 years ago. </p><p></p><p>If we truly want clean efficient energy, we need to go nuclear. </p><p></p><p>Imo, the best thing for the environment would be for Solar to disappear. Solar is a red herring that has been keeping us from going nuclear for decades. It is the shiny distraction they hold up to the public so that we don't talk about the tremendous progresses and advances made in nuclear energy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>yeah, I posted right after you posted this partial retraction. If you can afford it, meh, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world...</p><p></p><p>but as a former scientist I just can't stand how the world has been duped by Solar. They trout out Solar every few years and pitch it as the end all be all of renewable energy and that an awesome advance is "just around the corner" and we've been "on the verge" for decades... So it is a pet peeve of mine. It does have "limited" application and some places are better than others (i.e. around the equator / deserts). Otherwise, meh....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dgiharris, post: 70920716, member: 322579"] Not so fast... the statement [COLOR=#a64dff] “less than the price of a regular roof when accounting for energy generation” [/COLOR] makes me cringe. That is how the marketing guys hide the real costs and get into voodoo math to make it "seem" cheaper. Also, I suspect that government subsidies factor into the savings. Lastly, it doesn't include repair costs. When your normal roof leaks, it costs anywhere from a few hundred to maybe $1000-ish to fix. Then this roof starts leaking or having problems, what is the repair on that going to be? Instead of roofers now you are talking roofers + electricians. Overall, I'm not saying that a solar roof is bad. I'm just saying that the marketing guys almost always lie with these claims. You assume "price A" for electricity then assume "Price B" for the energy produced by solar (which they will always pick the optimal theoretical values) then amortize that over 50, 60, 70 years... and viola, WOW, the savings are huge and pay for themselves... All of the above "neglects" maintenance and upkeep and problems etc. Don't mean to bleep on your parade, it's just that Solar is a bone of contention with me. It is a pipe dream they have been repackaging over and over and over again since the 70s. There is very little that is new or revolutionary about solar technology today vs 30 years ago. If we truly want clean efficient energy, we need to go nuclear. Imo, the best thing for the environment would be for Solar to disappear. Solar is a red herring that has been keeping us from going nuclear for decades. It is the shiny distraction they hold up to the public so that we don't talk about the tremendous progresses and advances made in nuclear energy. yeah, I posted right after you posted this partial retraction. If you can afford it, meh, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world... but as a former scientist I just can't stand how the world has been duped by Solar. They trout out Solar every few years and pitch it as the end all be all of renewable energy and that an awesome advance is "just around the corner" and we've been "on the verge" for decades... So it is a pet peeve of mine. It does have "limited" application and some places are better than others (i.e. around the equator / deserts). Otherwise, meh.... [/QUOTE]
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