Ten Commandments ???

[JeffreyLloyd]

This is not over the “Protestant” and “Catholic” version of the Ten Commandments argument (which is a silly one at best, because both Catholic and Protestant bibles list the same ones).

What if Ten Commandments we know are really not the Ten Commandments given by God?

Get your Bible out, and open it to Exodus 20:2-17. You’ll find the familiar list of rules about having no false gods, honoring your mother and father, not killing or coveting, and so on. At this point, though Moses is just repeating to the people what God told him on Mount Si’nai. These are not written down in any forms.

Later, Moses goes back to the Mount, where God gives him to “tablets of stone” with rules written on them (Exodus 31:18). But when Moses comes down the mountain with the “stone tablets” he sees people worshipping a statue a calf, causing him to smash the tables on the ground (Exodus 32:19).

Now follow me here.

In neither of these cases does Scripture refer to “commandments.” In the first instance, they are “words” which “God spake,” while the tablets contain “testimony.” It is only when Moses goes back for new tablets that we see the phrase “ten commandments” (Exodus 34:28). In an interesting turn of events, the commandments on these tablets are significantly different than the ten rules Moses recited for the people –

So, I guess here are the real Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:13-28:

1. Thou Shalt Not Worship no other god.
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep.
4. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest
5. And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
6. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven
8. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
9. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

bump

 

[ps139]

bump is right. thats really interesting.
(sorry if I got your hopes up thinking a decent answer might have been posted )

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

You did This has been bugging me for a long time now!

 

[Christy4Christ]

Well Jeffrey thank you because now it's bugging me too!!!

 

[geocajun]

In the New Jerusalem Bible,
Exodus 34:28 Reads "He stayed there with Yahweh for forty days and forty nights, eating and drninking nothing, and on the tables he wrote the words of the covenant - the Ten Words.

This is considered by many to be the "Ritual Decalogue" - as it appears to be more concerned with ritual - it is interesting.
I will continue researching it.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

bump again

 

[Woodsy]

This is indeed interesting, Jeffrey. I need to study.
Speaking for myself, every time I study Sacred Scripture I seem to find things that I took for granted as being a certain way because that is how I had had it presented to me.

It can be difficult to read scripture with new eyes, as though it's a completely new message that we have to understand for itself. And that's what this seems to require, perhaps...

 

[Woodsy]

1. Worship no other god (Exodus 34:12-16)
2. Make no molten gods (Exodus 34:17)
3. Observe the Passover Feast, eating unleavened bread for 7 days (Exodus 34:18)
4. Redeem the firstborn of human and animal (Exodus 34:19-20)
5. Work 6 days and rest on the 7th (Exodus 34:21)
6. Celebrate Shavuoth (the Feast of Weeks) and the Feast of the Ingathering (?) (Exodus 34:22)
7. All males appear before God thrice yearly (Exodus 34:23-24)
8. Do not offer the PAssover sacrifice with leavened bread or leave the sacrifice overnight (Exodus 34:25)
9. Bring the first fruits of the soil into the house of the Lord (Exodus 34:26)
10. Do not boil a young goat in its mother's milk (Exodus 34:26)

 

[raptor13]

*shrugs*

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

anyone else?

 

[Christy4Christ]

I am still totaly clueless about what the right answer to this question is..Isn't there some smarty pants around here who can help us out?

 

[Michelina]

Jeffrey, why don't you just obey the ones we've got and

Stop Looking for "Loopholes" ????

 

[kimber1]

you just love to start a rucus don't you jeffrey? i was listening to a tv preacher a few minutes ago and funny, his message was on how the old law had passed away and we are under the new law of the covenant and that the commandment we have now is simply the commandment to love. so is that saying all the other commandments are null and void? i mean, i don't think so but it was interesting.
i've been reading in the CCC again and i'm at the part pertaining to the commandments and i have a question for you. it says in 2067 that the first 3 commandments were on the first tablet and the remaining 7 on the other. how do we know this?

as for your question... i haven't a clue. have you asked your priest about this adn gotten his insight?

 

[Credo]

i've been reading in the CCC again and i'm at the part pertaining to the commandments and i have a question for you. it says in 2067 that the first 3 commandments were on the first tablet and the remaining 7 on the other. how do we know this?

The division of 3 on one plate and 7 on the other comes from a quote from St. Augustine. I don't konw whether we should take this as literal or an analogy, but here's how I've always understood the division:

The first 3 commandments deal with our relationship with God.
The last 7 commandments deal with our relationship to one another.

It could be that St. Augustine meant this to be the lesson, not literally a strict division. Then again, maybe God put it that way. I don't know. Personally, I think St. Augustine was making the point that I stated above, the 3 deal with God and the other 7 deal with people.

And Jesus summed these up into 2 commandments:
Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, mind, and soul (the first 3 commandments), and love your neighbor as yourself (the last 7 commandments). This could be what your TV preacher was trying to get at when he said that Jesus gave the commandment of love. But Jesus' words don't undo the 10 commandments that were given to Moses.

Hope my early Sunday morning thoughts make sense! God Bless!

 

[BAChristian]

Yeah Jeffrey! STOP THE LOOPHOLE MADNESS!!!!

Ya freak!

LOL...

 

[the_nuge]

Just a thought : have you noticed the first verse the Lord says He is going to write on the tablets:

Exodus 34:1 The LORD said to Moses, "Cut two stone tablets like the former, that I may write on them the commandments which were on the former tablets that you broke."

And then Moses does the actual writing?

Exodus 34:28 "So Moses stayed there ... and he [not He mind you]wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

Maybe Moses wrote some and Yaweh wrote the commandments.

Also I see the part in between as more an emphasis by the Lord on the specifics of the covenant rather than a reiteration or new iteration of the afore said commandments.

??

 

[Bulldog]

Just a thought : have you noticed the first verse the Lord says He is going to write on the tablets:

Exodus 34:1 The LORD said to Moses, "Cut two stone tablets like the former, that I may write on them the commandments which were on the former tablets that you broke."

And then Moses does the actual writing?

Exodus 34:28 "So Moses stayed there ... and he [not He mind you]wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

Maybe Moses wrote some and Yaweh wrote the commandments.

Also I see the part in between as more an emphasis by the Lord on the specifics of the covenant rather than a reiteration or new iteration of the afore said commandments.

??

But how would you be able to tell? In Greek there are no capitol letters.

 

[the_nuge]

You're right. If it were referring to God it would have read "and the Lord wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant" But, assuming the grammar is correct this statement implies 'he' is Moses.