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What ob earth does that have to do woth creationism and classic teleology?
News article
“Although very different at first glance, both these belief systems are associated with a single and powerful cognitive bias named teleological thinking, which entails the perception of final causes and overriding purpose in naturally occurring events and entities.
In practice, a teleological approach means someone will agree with statements such as “the sun rises in order to give us light” or “the purpose of bees is to ensure pollination”.”
Research Article
"Teleological thinking — the attribution of purpose and a final cause to natural events and entities — has long been identified as a cognitive hindrance to the acceptance of evolution, yet its association to beliefs other than creationism has not been investigated. Here, we show that conspiracism — the proneness to explain socio-historical events in terms of secret and malevolent conspiracies — is also associated to a teleological bias. Across three correlational studies (N > 2000), we found robust evidence of a teleological link between conspiracism and creationism, which was partly independent from religion, politics, age, education, agency detection, analytical thinking and perception of randomness. As a resilient ‘default’ component of early cognition, teleological thinking is thus associated with creationist as well as conspiracist beliefs, which both entail the distant and hidden involvement of a purposeful and final cause to explain complex worldly events."
I really don't think so, in fact I see no correlation whatsoever. Since being on C.F. I have digested mostlyMaybe nothing. The study correlated agreement with statements like “the sun rises in order to give us light” or “the purpose of bees is to ensure pollination”, which were characterized as "finalism" with agreement with other statements indicative of 'creationism' or 'conspiracism' or 'animism'.
I think an interesting result is the strong correlation between conspiracism and animism.
I dont think so. Ive spent most of my time on C.F. absorbing genetics a philosophy. Whatever that study it had nothing to do with teleology or creationis.Maybe nothing. The study correlated agreement with statements like “the sun rises in order to give us light” or “the purpose of bees is to ensure pollination”, which were characterized as "finalism" with agreement with other statements indicative of 'creationism' or 'conspiracism' or 'animism'.
I think an interesting result is the strong correlation between conspiracism and animism.
Scientific thinking - common link between fetus and scalpel.Teleological thinking - common link between conspiracies and creationism.
I really don't think so, in fact I see no correlation whatsoever.
Like Clyde Tombaugh and Percivall Lowell?According to a poll I did, surveying people who use logic and have false beliefs,
I say nothing in the study indicating a standard for correlation, a survey is only as good as the questions ask. Teleology and creationism I know are related but some convoluted conspiracyism, that's just out in left field. I think they were just pandering to an antireligious bias, telling people want they like to hear, knowing they won't look to closely at the substantive elements.Perhaps you don't when you look within yourself or the people around the room with you, but that's why the researchers took results from 2000 people and found these statistical correlations.
I [see] nothing in the study indicating a standard for correlation
a survey is only as good as the questions ask.
I think they were just pandering to an antireligious bias, telling people want they like to hear, knowing they won't look to closely at the substantive elements.
A standard? They used a Pearson correlation test, a standard statistical measure. As stated in the study. If it's positive, the two factors are positively correlated. It's just math.
And what do you know about the quality of the questions in the survey? Did you read the Supplemental Information, which showed that they used questions from The Generic Conspiracist Beliefs Scale, published a few years ago by other researchers? Have you evaluated the statements there to determine whether they effectively measure conspiracy-mindedness?
I think you're just pooh-poohing a study without any real reason.
I have a reason, conspiracies is a bogus concept. I've read a little about teleology and Creationism and is some pretty interesting philosophy, basically metaphysics. The is no substantive drawn between the concepts involved. It reminds of this biology professor who was always citing the paper that said the more ignorant a person the less aware they are of their ignorance.A standard? They used a Pearson correlation test, a standard statistical measure. As stated in the study. If it's positive, the two factors are positively correlated. It's just math.
And what do you know about the quality of the questions in the survey? Did you read the Supplemental Information, which showed that they used questions from The Generic Conspiracist Beliefs Scale, published a few years ago by other researchers? Have you evaluated the statements there to determine whether they effectively measure conspiracy-mindedness?
I think you're just pooh-poohing a study without any real reason.
I have a reason, conspiracies is a bogus concept.
This isn't my first rabbit hole
No, conspiracies actually do exist. But one should lend credence to the existence of a conspiracy only on sufficient evidence.
Oh please, there is no correlation of creationism and conspiracy theorists, fake moon landing hoac, or suppression of alien evidence. Its no different. I'm not defending conspiracy theories but unlike the vast majority of evolutionists, I actually learned what the evidence actually is, and this study is a presuppositional farce.Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.
Oh please, there is no correlation of creationism and conspiracy theorists, fake moon landing hoac, or suppression of alien evidence. Its no different. I'm not defending conspiracy theories but unlike the vast majority of evolutionists, I actually learned what the evidence actually is, and this study is a presuppositional farce.
They didnt make a direct connection between conspiracy theories, creationism, and teleology. This whole issue is philosophical not statistical, and I've seen entirely too much of this kind of equivocation to take it seriously. I admit I found the study interesting which often they are. My objection is creation is a religious doctrine, teleology is a very old and very interesting philosophical point of discussion and conspiracy theories are something else entirely.What is your objection to the study though? Is there a problem with the methodology?
They didnt make a direct connection between conspiracy theories, creationism, and teleology.
Do you understand the phrase "correlation is not causation"?
The study showed a correlation. The end.
They didnt make a direct connection between conspiracy theories, creationism, and teleology.
This whole issue is philosophical not statistical, and I've seen entirely too much of this kind of equivocation to take it seriously.
My objection is creation is a religious doctrine, teleology is a very old and very interesting philosophical point of discussion and conspiracy theories are something else entirely.
If "promiscuous" teleology can lead to "Conspiracism", I wonder if teleological "blindness" can lead to not recognizing when a conspiracy is true and avoid it's consequence?
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