Technological Theological Question?

[mnorian]

Would you agree with this statement:

"You can't blame God for the internet; it seems to be almost a scourge on mankind." ?

It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." - Albert Einstein
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[FreedByte]

Would you agree with this statement:

"You can't blame God for the internet; it seems to be almost a scourge on mankind." ?

It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." - Albert Einstein

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mn

Which one?

 

[mnorian]

Which one?

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Aha! you didn't know this was a test; did you?

Seriously though; it's the first one, the one with the quotation marks on both ends, the one with the question mark behind it. I should of made more of a differentiation between that and one of the most famous quotes by one of the most famous scientist, that probably can be taken at face value.

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mn

 

[FreedByte]

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Aha! you didn't know this was a test; did you?

Seriously though; it's the first one, the one with the quotation marks on both ends, the one with the question mark behind it. I should of made more of a differentiation between that and one of the most famous quotes by one of the most famous scientist, that probably can be taken at face value.

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mn

Well can you start by explaining why the Internet would be considered a scourge on humanity?

 

[Unix]

The problem is that people either love to WASTE time, or they are super-focused and lazy at the same time for example caring for the family but not making any effort to get cheap food. Everyone has to eat.

 

[FreedByte]

The problem is that people either love to WASTE time, or they are super-focused and lazy at the same time for example caring for the family but not making any effort to get cheap food. Everyone has to eat.

All of this is stuff one can do without the internet, so I don't understand your point

 

[Unix]

People both pay a lot for internet connectivity, and are connected a very large part of their time:

All of this is stuff one can do without the internet, so I don't understand your point

 

[FreedByte]

are connected a very large part of their time:

not necessarily

 

[Ophanim]

The more people depend on technology - to do our work instead of making us better people, or work better- the more we become slaves to it...and the more we lose our humanity...

For example, having a car that uses technology to make us better drivers is good.. Having a car that drives itself and makes us so lazy that actual driving skill and knowledge declines is a bad thing. If a car automatically applies its brakes, its okay, but if you automatically depend on the car to apply the brakes because your skill, and reaction time with applying the brakes yourself is so horrible, then that could be a very bad thing.

Many young people depend on the internet for social interacting to the point that they have no skills when it comes to interacting in real life, and seeing someone that is more than just an avatar.

Their skills and abilities in having positive, constructive, mature interaction with people with different thoughts and views from their own is completely foreign to them, they have no clue.

I used to try to explain every little thing and I have learned that to those who are able to understand,

no explanation is needed,

and to those who fail to understand,

no explanation will do.

Humankind has the potential to do truly amazing things, especially if humankind came together as one.

And its not about technology, what I am refering to goes far beyond "technology"...

However, because of Satanic influence and mankind's sinful nature, humankind will continue to be its own worst enemy and a total embarrassment until the Day the Lord shall put an end to this.

And after the Lord puts an end to the madness, then people have no clue.....no clue....what our potential really will be....even Jesus Christ mentioned about the potential all followers of God have....because we are created in God's likeness after all.

 

[FreedByte]

The more people depend on technology - to do our work instead of making us better people- the more we become slaves to it...and the more we lose our humanity...

For example, having a car that uses technology to make us better drivers is good.. Having a car that drives itself and makes us so lazy that actual driving skill and knowledge declines is a bad thing. If a car automatically applies its brakes, its okay, but if you automatically depend on the car to apply the brakes because your skill, and reaction time with applying the brakes yourself is so horrible. Then that could be a very bad thing.

Many young people depend on the internet for social interacting to the point that they have no skills when it comes to interacting in real life, and seeing someone that is more than just an avatar.

Their skills and abilities in having positive, constructive, mature interaction with people with different thoughts and views from their own is completely foreign to them, they have no clue.

I used to try to explain every little thing and I have learned that to those who are able to understand,

no explanation is needed,

and to those who fail to understand,

no explanation will do.

If technology were to advance us to a post-scarcity environment, why would it matter that knowledge of skills like driving fade away?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy

 

[mnorian]

The more people depend on technology - to do our work instead of making us better people, or work better- the more we become slaves to it...and the more we lose our humanity...

For example, having a car that uses technology to make us better drivers is good.. Having a car that drives itself and makes us so lazy that actual driving skill and knowledge declines is a bad thing. If a car automatically applies its brakes, its okay, but if you automatically depend on the car to apply the brakes because your skill, and reaction time with applying the brakes yourself is so horrible, then that could be a very bad thing.

Many young people depend on the internet for social interacting to the point that they have no skills when it comes to interacting in real life, and seeing someone that is more than just an avatar.

Their skills and abilities in having positive, constructive, mature interaction with people with different thoughts and views from their own is completely foreign to them, they have no clue.

I used to try to explain every little thing and I have learned that to those who are able to understand,

no explanation is needed,

and to those who fail to understand,

no explanation will do.

Humankind has the potential to do truly amazing things, especially if humankind came together as one.

And its not about technology, what I am refering to goes far beyond "technology"...

However, because of Satanic influence and mankind's sinful nature, humankind will continue to be its own worst enemy and a total embarrassment until the Day the Lord shall put an end to this.

And after the Lord puts an end to the madness, then people have no clue.....no clue....what our potential really will be....even Jesus Christ mentioned about the potential all followers of God have....because we are created in God's likeness after all.

I agree: this is more what I was meaning. I'll add three additional thoughts:
1- Smut.
2- Informational overload.
3- Some countries are using the interweb to find and hunt down Christians.
a- But God is sovereign; He will protect His own: thru Jesus Christ His
Son.

 

[StarTemple]

Would you agree with this statement:

"You can't blame God for the internet; it seems to be almost a scourge on mankind." ?

It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." - Albert Einstein

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mn

Yes and no. After the knowledge quest in Eden set the theme of all following human development God can't be "blamed" for anything, "blaming" God for restricted access to knowledge started this whole folly and that was Satan's own use of power, God is not to blame for Satan's self-willed course. (or anyone elses)

God is responsible for the power, but power is benign, how it is used is whether it is positive or negative. Freewill.

The Web is a source of communication and information publication so for those who went through libraries and card catalogs, the Web is very convenient to get information, tons of it, easily, in seconds.

It seems the uniqueness of this benign aspect aiding research has passed by people's attention in general how unique this system is. For others it has opened their eyes to how things really are from international sources, they no longer have to buy what their professor or politician tells them, they can research history.

But once in the hands of men and demons, of course many good intentions can pave the way to hell. Of course the evil powers and controlling powers will use everything to preserve their own luxuries and powers, and the web and that kind of technology lends itself well to that kind of work.

But in the meantime the Web has provided far more information exposing the grander existence and history of that power system and its objectives of total control aided by massive information and technological advancement.

 

[mnorian]

After this last week of technologic overload; dealing with the new server platform, on some parts of my old brain--there are just so many synapse left for learning new ways--I thought of this old thread: and instead of looking at technology as a scourge; I started thinking about it as T.O.--tech overload; also called, information glut, data smog, and two I haven't heard: infoxication and infobesity, the last two I had to teach my spell checker.

What ever it's called, it's when you get more info then you can process or more choses then you need. I went shopping at my local Fred Meyer not long ago for a pair of garden gloves; just a plain brown, cotton glove you used to get for 99cents about 20 years ago. So I went in and asked the nice checker where the garden gloves were; and he showed me to a wall of gloves! I mean they had blue gloves, red, green, ones with flowers on them. Some were made of rubber, canvas, nylon, rubberized canvas, they had designer gloves and any kind of glove you could want. But the glove they didn't have was just a plain old cotton gloves your mom used to use to weed the garden...sigh. So I bought the cheapest thing they have which was a rubberized canvased glove that was cold, too thick to be comfortable and they set in a drawer not being used.

Well that's the way I feel about t.o. now. You go online and put a search into Yahoo for the definition of "Nicene creed" and after three hours of going through the history of the church from A.D. 70 till the reformation and you look at the scroll bar and see your only half done--this was after taking 3 or 4 side trips on interesting highlighted words-- you realize that you totally forgot the "creed" let alone the "clear water" of water baptism, history of, ... to much information!---

So as Christians (and others) we get so side-tracked in the information gathering process that we forget sometimes why we are gathering the info in the first place; get so hung up on avatars, smileys, post, texts, complaining about what color the back ground is (yah. I did it my self- the screen was too bright--ya got a botton there---turn it down!) To me, this week I got sidetracked in trying to fix my post and not what I was putting in them, not worry about the color of the text but what the text say. Oh, good gravy... I just realized; I'm still doing the same thing here, dwelling about the info glut and not what it's for... I think i'll go look up something about my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Have a good night.

 

[Unix]

I agree that we might not have the capacity to process the amount of raw data available to us, as can also be learned in college before getting an Associate's degree.
Certain softwares have ways of organizing books, that may help, also notes are searchable along with the entire content of the books - in several ways thanks to tagging. It's also possible to create User Tools (Accordance)/Personal Books (Logos) and You can insert references and links there and then You can use it to navigate.
I'm aiming at collecting quality data, I don't want to waist my time on scholars who have been proven wrong, whose conclusions can't be evaluated, or who are too verbose or too pastoral. Nor do I want material which has been made only with a North American context in mind as I will never visit the U.S. (I will perhaps visit Canada once with my dad if I will someone who will research together with me or co-author a book with me, to meet.)
I'm not going to consume pre-digested opinions only so I also need some sources, but I want some of what I read presented in ways that can be utilized well and books that are relevant or have crucial research which I need to know. By that I don't refer to the common opinion about what those areas are.
I'm going to continue by buying less and less and being very clever about what I buy. Also, weigh in lots of other aspects than just cost. I may not get away cheap, and I haven't, but at least I don't have all that much clutter when it comes to titles in my library. I will sell away excess books, especially electronic ones, whether I've read them or not if there's someone who needs them tremendously much more and pays me a little. My preferred way of selling, is swaps where I get Accordance books or software from a person and the that person gets Logos/(Verbum) books from me - I did such a swap once with a pastor from South-Africa (I even think he's a bit well-known). If I negotiated about used electronic books but end up not buying, I save the contact details and hint someone else who wants the specific books for example if there's no-longer available titles included. Right now I'm considering if I should sell a commentary set to a pastor in Bulgaria cheap, he can't pay a lot - actually he's offering $200 less than my asking price in my ad. In order to know whether I want to sell to him, I'm asking him a few questions - he hasn't replied yet. Once, a while ago, I gave away a whole package of books and software in Verbum to someone who's disabled, she paid me $5 (I asked for $1) - I felt really good about doing that, she has an extremely tight budget for everything.
Speaking of budgets, I've made a very long term budget myself, early this year I made one for 17 years ahead. It helps me realize that I have to save up a lot a typical month to afford some expensive things - of which the most expensive one (which will be the most expensive cost in my entire life especially considering I will have to pay it myself) will be to publish a book:

After this last week of technological overload; dealing with the new server platform, on some parts of my old brain--there are just so many synapse left for learning new ways--I thought of this old thread: and instead of looking at technology as a scourge; I started thinking about it as T.O.--tech overload; also called, information glut, data smog, and two I haven't heard: infoxication and infobesity,

 

[StarTemple]

Is it The Techno Tower of Babel?

 

[timewerx]

Would you agree with this statement:

"You can't blame God for the internet; it seems to be almost a scourge on mankind." ?

It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." - Albert Einstein
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All statements are wrong here including Einstein's.

Internet proved itself invaluable in seeking the Truth which you cannot find in the Bible.

 

[mnorian]

All statements are wrong here including Einstein's.

Internet proved itself invaluable in seeking the Truth which you cannot find in the Bible.

This reminds me of a commercial I heard on TV: This girls was saying that they couldn't put anything on the web that wasn't true; and this guy asked her where she had heard that and she said "on the internet" using the internet to prove the internet.

Also Jesus said in John 8:31-32: Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

Also in 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

 

[inlight12]

Internet is only good for information. But a book is for knowledge.

 

[timewerx]

Internet is only good for information. But a book is for knowledge.

If both produces the same exact result, what difference does that make???

 

[timewerx]

This reminds me of a commercial I heard on TV: This girls was saying that they couldn't put anything on the web that wasn't true; and this guy asked her where she had heard that and she said "on the internet" using the internet to prove the internet.

Through the internet, I learned how to:

- cook
- fix my car all by myself
- take proper care of my dog
- speak a few words in other language(s)
- count in binary numbers
- master Microsoft Excel
- fix my computer
- tie my tie
- make hardcore rope knots
- design an aircraft
- make automated applications which makes my job helluva lot easier.
- and countless others I won't mention to keep my reply short....


I guess it depends on how you use the internet.... There are lies in internet of course, and it is still foolish to blindly believe in things it says....You must always have a solid basis for believing in things.

In my search for the truth in Internet for example, I cross-examine my sources and test them against real life. If it doesn't produce the expected results then it's a lie. This way, you find the truth from the internet and weed out and discard the lies. There are messages of truth everywhere, not just the Bible. You just need to have the "tools" to discern it so you can avoid the bad stuff.