TEC vs the continuum

[via media.2]

d like to why why the opinions of breakaway schismatic Anglican in the USA are valued more than opinions of members of the mainstream TEC.

surely this can be a place where both views can be held. regardless if we personally disagree with each other.

 

[ebia]

We seem to have some problems respecting differing views at all at moment.

But also CF rules are not neutral at this point in time.

And while TEC may be the largest Anglican body in the US and the Communion member there it's position on the elephant is a minority one considering even the global Anglican Communion, let alone the whole of Anglicanism.

 

[via media.2]

We seem to have some problems respecting differing views at all at moment.

But also CF rules are not neutral at this point in time.

And while TEC may be the largest Anglican body in the US and the Communion member there it's position on the elephant is a minority one considering even the global Anglican Communion, let alone the whole of Anglicanism.

that is true...however unofficial support for the 'elephant' is quite large here in oz (outside of Sydney) and NZ (where they have also elected 'elephants' as priests in both Dunedin and Auckland and of course in the UK.

I don't believe the elephant issue is quite as small as people tend to think. and it's certainly not limited to TEC, the TEC is just the largest organised supporter of 'elephant' rights.

 

[ebia]

that is true...however unofficial support for the 'elephant' is quite large here in oz (outside of Sydney) and NZ (where they have also elected 'elephants' as priests in both Dunedin and Auckland and of course in the UK.

I don't believe the elephant issue is quite as small as people tend to think. and it's certainly not limited to TEC, the TEC is just the largest organised supporter of 'elephant' rights.

Oh, there are outposts of support littered around the affluent English speaking bits of the Communion. But that's what they are, at least so far.

I don't personally have a problem with people having that view - but it's a long way from being anything other than a distinctly minority view.

 

[PaladinValer]

via media,

While I appreciate what you are trying to say, the way in which you say it is truly bugging the heck out of me. "Breakaway, schismatic" isn't necessary, especially when we are trying to STOP with the abysmal tone.

Please find a better way to give your position.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

"mainstream" can often be a terrifying thing....perhaps not being a part of it is just what the doctor ordered!

d like to why why the opinions of breakaway schismatic Anglican in the USA are valued more than opinions of members of the mainstream TEC.

surely this can be a place where both views can be held. regardless if we personally disagree with each other.

 

[Adam Warlock]

d like to why why the opinions of breakaway schismatic Anglican in the USA are valued more than opinions of members of the mainstream TEC.

because they're cool like that

 

[The highchurchman]

Well if this forum is for all Anglicans then all Anglicans theological positions must be respected.

 

[MKJ]

Well if this forum is for all Anglicans then all Anglicans theological positions must be respected.

Perhaps if you took that to heart in your posts, it would inspire others.

 

[gb123]

We seem to have some problems respecting differing views at all at moment.

But also CF rules are not neutral at this point in time.

And while TEC may be the largest Anglican body in the US and the Communion member there it's position on the elephant is a minority one considering even the global Anglican Communion, let alone the whole of Anglicanism.

Well the Church of England supports "elephants" becoming priests, (are we using elephant because were not allowed to mention it or we'll get banned?), and we have an "elephant" bishop.

It's not a minority view.

God Bless.

 

[mark46]

When I read the original thread title, I thought that Q now had the TEC on trial for opposing the continuum.

because they're cool like that

 

[ebia]

Well the Church of England supports "elephants" becoming priests, (are we using elephant because were not allowed to mention it or we'll get banned?), and we have an "elephant" bishop.

It's not a minority view.

God Bless.

The position of the Church of England is that celebate and married people may be ordained. That sex is reserved for marriage and that clergy are supposed to live within that.

 

[mark46]

It would seem a consquence is that no matter what position one takes regarding sex between thos eo the same sex, those who are active sexually should be married, or should not be ordained.

BTW, are there any provinces where marriage is not limited to one man and one woman. I understand that there are blessings of relationship. For me, that isn't the same thing.

The position of the Church of England is that celebate and married people may be ordained. That sex is reserved for marriage and that clergy are supposed to live within that.

 

[ebia]

It would seem a consquence is that no matter what position one takes regarding sex between thos eo the same sex, those who are active sexually should be married, or should not be ordained.

yep

BTW, are there any provinces where marriage is not limited to one man and one woman. I understand that there are blessings of relationship. For me, that isn't the same thing.

I'm not aware of anywhere going down that path beyond TEC and Canada. Where else is likely? NZ? SA?

 

[The highchurchman]

yep

I'm not aware of anywhere going down that path beyond TEC and Canada. Where else is likely? NZ? SA?

NZ defiantly. they have ordained actively gay priests in at least 2 dioceses with full knowledge of the people.
on a perosnal note one of my very best friends (a guy) is in a rship with someone in melb who is a deacon studying to be a priest. the Archbishop knows and simply doesn't care.

 

[ebia]

NZ defiantly. they have ordained actively gay priests in at least 2 dioceses with full knowledge of the people.
on a perosnal note one of my very best friends (a guy) is in a rship with someone in melb who is a deacon studying to be a priest. the Archbishop knows and simply doesn't care.

The question I was answering was about gay marriage.

Yes, there are (always have been) some bishops around the place willing to turn a blind eye.

 

[The highchurchman]

The question I was answering was about gay marriage.

Yes, there are (always have been) some bishops around the place willing to turn a blind eye.

well gay marriage is legal in NZ.

 

[ebia]

well gay marriage is legal in NZ.

But does the Anglican Church there formally conduct or bless them? If so they are in breach of the moritoria, which I was not aware of them being.

 

[mark46]

The issue I was discussing was indeed marriage. If there is no marriage, then any sex outside marriage precludes an active homosexual from being ordained. This is the same situation as it would be for heterosexuals. We cannot be saying that it is OK for homosexuals to have sex outside of marriage and that heterosexuals cannot. Both are sinful and should preclude ordination.

I was asking which churches had actual marriage ceremonies of same sex couples. Did they use the BCP for the vows and prayers? Was this marriage treated the same as a heterosexual marriage?

Yes, there are bishops and many who look the other way with regard to sex outside of marriage. Many Anglicans do not consider the bedroom activity of others to be of great interest. HOWEVER, sex outside of marriage is sinful. That is what the Church teaches. That is the standard of CF.

 

[The highchurchman]

But does the Anglican Church there formally conduct or bless them? If so they are in breach of the moritoria, which I was not aware of them being.

depends. the Maroi Anglicans are against it. the non-maroi Anglicans are generally for it.
I believe the Anglican Church in Aotearoa does bless same-sex couples but in an unofficial capacity atm.