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Do the tithing laws in Deuteronomy 26 apply to you?
If so, do you say these words?
13 “I have put away the holy things out of my house, and also have given them to the Levite, to the foreigner, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all your commandment which you have commanded me. I have not transgressed any of your commandments, neither have I forgotten them. 14 I have not eaten of it in my mourning, neither have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor given of it for the dead. I have listened to the Lord my God’s voice. I have done according to all that you have commanded me. 15 Look down from your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless your people Israel, and the ground which you have given us, as you swore to our fathers, a land flowing with milk and honey.”
Absolutely!
But we also want to allow that the scriptures may contain literary devices such as idioms. I believe Isaiah does this when writing about the Persians conquering Babylon:
Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of the sky and its constellations will not give their light. The sun will be darkened in its going out, and the moon will not cause its light to shine.
There isn't one. But apparently it's very important to Luke and the Holy Spirit that a castrated man was baptized into the Lord's assembly.So where is the scripture that says that this instruction was abolished?
No need to be snide or snarky.Interesting..
So when did this happen?:
"and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages."
I must have missed that event.
When exactly was all accomplished?
Exactly! I believe the law says that the tithe belongs to the Levites, so God has made it impossible to tithe starting 40 years (one generation) after the destruction of the temple and the genealogical records.Who would I tithe to?
Does the law make special exceptions for people in exile? Honest question, I'm not aware that it does.I am in exile. YHWH has not called his people back into the land.
Jesus and his disciples were well aware of the writing of Isaiah, so we want to understand his words in light of that cultural context.We're not talking about Isaiah. We're talking about Yahshua.
This seems pretty straightforward to me.:
(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.
There isn't one. But apparently it's very important to Luke and the Holy Spirit that a castrated man was baptized into the Lord's assembly.
So something has changed somewhere imo.
No need to be snide or snarky.
I don't think the devil has been cast into the lake of fire yet.
Logically, "until all things are accomplished" cannot refer to every single prophecy being fulfilled, since some prophecies (e.g. he shall reign forever and ever) cannot be fulfilled until the end of forever, which has no end.
Realistically, the disciples who heard Jesus and Luke probably take the "all accomplished" to refer to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple... which of course brings about a change in how the law is practiced.
Exactly! I believe the law says that the tithe belongs to the Levites, so God has made it impossible to tithe starting 40 years (one generation) after the destruction of the temple and the genealogical records.
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But even if a person doesn't know who to tithe to, there are still words required to be said.
Does the law make special exceptions for people in exile? Honest question, I'm not aware that it does.
Jesus and his disciples were well aware of the writing of Isaiah, so we want to understand his words in light of that cultural context.
Here you go, my man...Let's look at the verses that you are talking about, side by side, a see what you're talking about. I thought that I already asked you this once before.
I agree that it's a sincere line of questioning.It's a sincere line of questioning; and it serves to demonstrate that all has not been accomplished. The onus would be on you to demonstrate otherwise. If you feel challenged by that line of questioning; it's no cause to make inflammatory statements.
andSo when did this happen?
sound snide/snarky to me when it's fairly obvious that the particular event you were referring to hasn't happened yet.I must have missed that event.
I believe it is logical. If his instructions will reign forever, the accomplishing of his instructions forever cannot be accomplished until the end of forever.That's not logical. When we are all one with the father, we will all submit to his will in obedience to his instructions forever. Therefore his instructions will reign forever.
I believe it is realistic when the context of the passage is taken into account.This isn't realistic. It's pure speculation. The destruction of the Temple didn't accomplish all; and the Temple practices will resume in the kingdom to come. This isn't the first time that the Temple practices have been paused. Despite previous pauses, the Torah was not abolished before Yahshua walked the earth. Again, YHWH commands us to follow his instructions that apply to us. In previous generations, when Israel was in exile; YHWH still called them to repentance. Repentance is the message at the foundation of Yahshua's ministry.
I agree that verse 12 contains a condition. But it's not clear to me that verse 13 falls under that same condition.It's a conditional statement.
We must start here:
12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithe of thine increase in the third year, which is the year of tithing, then thou shalt give it unto the Levite
Has repentance replaced sacrifice, then? Again, honest question. How do you see it?When Israel was in Babylonian exile; they could not properly make sacrifices. Yah's message for atonement was repentance. Nineveh wasn't even part of Israel. Yah's message for atonement to them was repentance. The foundation of Yahshua's ministry was repentance. We see examples where atonement was made without sacrifice. We also see examples where sacrifices were made for atonement; but those sacrifices were rejected. Repentance remains the most effective means for atonement.
The writing of Isaiah was part of the culture of Jesus and his disciples. Thus Jesus can quote Isaiah and people understand what he's referring to.Why would you suppose that Yahshua's disciples has a great understanding of the culture in the time of Isaiah?
What cultural context do you speak of?
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