Tea Partiers- racist morons?

[Mobiosity]

smiles...redheads definitely spark a fire in me....

What about being proud of your race's history?

I mean, again, all one is doing is relating individuals in the past that have the same skin color as part of themselves...

You had no part in it, what reason could you possibly have to take pride in it?

 

[jpcedotal]

You had no part in it, what reason could you possibly have to take pride in it?

What about taking pride in what your immediate family does?

IF that is something different, then when does that change to what I quoted from you...one generation back? only those you knew personally? as long as you can prove a certain individual was an ancestor it is legit?

 

[Mobiosity]

What about taking pride in what your immediate family does?

IF that is something different, then when does that change to what I quoted from you...one generation back? only those you knew personally? as long as you can prove a certain individual was an ancestor it is legit?

You can be proud of your folks, or your sibs, for that matter you can be proud of yourself for what you're doing. You shouldn't claim pride for some ephemeral reflected glory.

 

[MattLangley]

It is time for action. Not "discussion" as our country crumbles around us. Debate accomplishes nothing.

Then why are you here discussing?

On the other hand I'll follow the democratic process and support it, in which discussion and debate is a large part.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
It is time for action. Not "discussion" as our country crumbles around us. Debate accomplishes nothing.

Then why are you here discussing?

On the other hand I'll follow the democratic process and support it, in which discussion and debate is a large part.

Discussion and debate is passive. Nothing is accomplished, is it? What is accomplished.

Time is of the essence here. Debate is for the most part, a distraction, while our rights are trampled under foot, one by one.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Why does it matter? I'm sure that Leftists, being so open-minded, will be able to introspectively ponder "How were TEA partiers wronged that made them so angry?", and then take corrective measures in their own actions, as they do with Muslim suicide bombers. Certainly the TEA partiers would not be so angry if not provoked by the closed minded self-centered actions of Leftist politicians! All the charges of racism are simply a failure to be open minded.

 

[Anovah]

Let me ask it like this then:

Is it racists to instill in a child that the color of your skin should be a symbol of pride at any level?

Are you asking me to be an umpire on what's racist. I've got a feeling that is a loosing game but more importantly, I can't see what the connection is between this question and our earlier discussion on the link between intelligence and racist attitudes. Clarification?

But okay...I'll walk right into this, sucker that I am.

Yes it seems racist. What if I am born Albino or have an unusually dark complexion. I can no longer take pride in the symbol that is my skin color, yes? What I CAN continue to take pride in though is my heritage, regardless of my skin color.

 

[Anovah]

It is time for action. Not "discussion" as our country crumbles around us. Debate accomplishes nothing.

Debate accomplishes nothing? I could not disagree with you more and it deeply offends my sensabilities, but I am hoping/guessing your heart is in the right place.

So...what kind of action is neccessary that simply cannot be accomplished by discussion or debate? In fact, action and debate are not mutually exclusive so perhaps a better question would be, what kind of action would exlude discussion and debate?

The only ones I can personally think of involve death, and quite a bit of it.

 

[Zlex]

I don't know that your staunch defense of anger will go over very well in terms of rational debate. Anger can be natural but only humans have the power of mind to know when to express it and when not.

In among the reasons of 'why they are angry' is the outrage at the profligate spending, which, when it is publicly exposed as it was during the government's response to its self-generated crisis of meddling, results in exactly that kind of political response.

Look at Social Security for example. This is what made 'hidden' borrowing and thus, subsidized extra spending via the abuse of the poorly named SS Trust Funds so insidious. I think some people who are members of the Tea Party understand this issue, but few people in general understood the accounting, even today, even as Clark put it in black and white 30 years ago and got 1% of the vote. The argument 'we were going to borrow the money anyway' is a total non-starter, exactly because of the evidence of the current outrage at disclosed spending. That full argument is 'we wanted to spend more than the electorate would politically tolerate, so we cooked up a way to hide the additional borrowing by taking it 'off budget.'

Few understand the real 'double whammy' impact of this scheme. Not only is a demographic surplus subsidy turning over into a demographic deficit drain, on an easily predicted actuarial basis, but the 'hidden subsidy borrowing' of that once surplus, when it is gone, is not really 'gone.' It leaves behind a hole in the budget, once paid for by the hidden surplus subsidy(which was justified as being required to exactly 'pre-pay' for this coming rainy day!) Revenues must increase or spending must be cut not only to pay for the added benefits drain, but to account for the hole left in the budget by the loss of subsidy.

Said another way, what felt so good on the way up -- the current spending bonanza paid for by borrowing from the future instead of saving for the future -- is going to feel doubly bad on the way down. Not only has the government mismanaged the SS program and not adequately accounted for an easily predicted coming rainy day, but their policy has actually made the coming rainy day worse than it would it have been(as it must, because it made former sunny days better than they would have been, via subsidy from the future.)

The government 'pre-paid', via extra taxation on an already surplus paying demographic, precisely nothing. Instead, they simply borrowed and spent even faster, heaping more debt on the future that is now here.

Total insanity.

If/when much of America realizes what these total idiots did to the nation(and continue to do to the nation), it will be as Moynihan once admitted on the floor of the Senate, decades ago, paraphrased from memory: 'God help us when the nation realizes what we've done.'

The Tea Party Movement is the nation beginning to realize that the CronyFest on the Potomac is and has been totally out of all control.

 

[DaisyDay]

 

[Anovah]

Discussion and debate is passive. Nothing is accomplished, is it? What is accomplished.

Time is of the essence here. Debate is for the most part, a distraction, while our rights are trampled under foot, one by one.

Sometimes action is required, I'll give you that, but to exclude discussion is to remain ignorant.

For example, if you were to be more open minded to debate, as opposed to simply expressing your anger through action, you might find that your assessment of the situation (such as "the liberties and freedoms that we love, being torn down, piece-by-piece, by a government that is mocking the voice and will of the people." ) is perhaps a bit inaccurate and therefor your call for action based on anger, inappropriate.

 

[DaisyDay]

(By the way, I'm somewhat of a racist, but not at all a moron).

Well, I'm not going to argue either point.

Redheads come in different colors - Malcolm X was known as "Red" in his youth.

The Danish kind tend to get weirdly blotchy & speckly with sun exposure - not sure that is a proper point of pride (or vanity).

 

[Anovah]

In among the reasons of 'why they are angry' is the outrage at the profligate spending, which, when it is publicly exposed as it was during the government's response to its self-generated crisis of meddling, results in exactly that kind of political response.

Look at Social Security for example. This is what made 'hidden' borrowing and thus, subsidized extra spending via the abuse of the poorly named SS Trust Funds so insidious. I think some people who are members of the Tea Party understand this issue, but few people in general understood the accounting, even today, even as Clark put it in black and white 30 years ago and got 1% of the vote. The argument 'we were going to borrow the money anyway' is a total non-starter, exactly because of the evidence of the current outrage at disclosed spending. That full argument is 'we wanted to spend more than the electorate would politically tolerate, so we cooked up a way to hide the additional borrowing by taking it 'off budget.'

Few understand the real 'double whammy' impact of this scheme. Not only is a demographic surplus subsidy turning over into a demographic deficit drain, on an easily predicted actuarial basis, but the 'hidden subsidy borrowing' of that once surplus, when it is gone, is not really 'gone.' It leaves behind a hole in the budget, once paid for by the hidden surplus subsidy(which was justified as being required to exactly 'pre-pay' for this coming rainy day!) Revenues must increase or spending must be cut not only to pay for the added benefits drain, but to account for the hole left in the budget by the loss of subsidy.

Said another way, what felt so good on the way up -- the current spending bonanza paid for by borrowing from the future instead of saving for the future -- is going to feel doubly bad on the way down. Not only has the government mismanaged the SS program and not adequately accounted for an easily predicted coming rainy day, but their policy has actually made the coming rainy day worse than it would it have been(as it must, because it made former sunny days better than they would have been, via subsidy from the future.)

The government 'pre-paid', via extra taxation on an already surplus paying demographic, precisely nothing. Instead, they simply borrowed and spent even faster, heaping more debt on the future that is now here.

Total insanity.

If/when much of America realizes what these total idiots did to the nation(and continue to do to the nation), it will be as Moynihan once admitted on the floor of the Senate, decades ago, paraphrased from memory: 'God help us when the nation realizes what we've done.'

The Tea Party Movement is the nation beginning to realize that the CronyFest on the Potomac is and has been totally out of all control.

Hey man, great post.

I really appreciate you trying to make your case and convince me through discussion.

 

[brinny]

Sometimes action is required, I'll give you that, but to exclude discussion is to remain ignorant.

For example, if you were to be more open minded to debate, as opposed to simply expressing your anger through action, you might find that your assessment of the situation (such as "the liberties and freedoms that we love, being torn down, piece-by-piece, by a government that is mocking the voice and will of the people." ) is perhaps a bit inaccurate and therefor your call for action based on anger, inappropriate.

so there, you've shared your opinion. uh-huh. ok. That was most helpful. i feel better now.

 

[Anovah]

so there, you've shared your opinion. uh-huh. ok. That was most helpful. i feel better now.

Well, I wasn't trying to make you feel better. Only proposing a different way of thinking.

But please, feel free an answer any of the questions I asked (see post 68) and I think I can show you what I mean.

 

[jpcedotal]

I still like NASCAR better...

 

[DaisyDay]

Who cares about debate?

The non-moronic population?

 

[Mobiosity]

Well, I'm not going to argue either point.

Redheads come in different colors - Malcolm X was known as "Red" in his youth.

The Danish kind tend to get weirdly blotchy & speckly with sun exposure - not sure that is a proper point of pride (or vanity).

I thought Red as in Redd Foxx was skin color, not hair color - well, you learn something new every day - I'm definitely of the speckly not blotchy kind. For years I hoped my freckles would run together and I'd have a terrific tan - half a century later, I finally realize it just ain't gonna happen. :o

 

[KarateCowboy]

Hey man, great post.

I really appreciate you trying to make your case and convince me through discussion.

Zlex is a genius. Pure and simple.

And, he uses Ubuntu.

 

[Veritas]

I only saw one crasher at my local tea party event. Not saying there weren't more, but the guy with the sign really stood out. His double-sided sign read "tea partiers love Hitler" on one side and "tea klux klan" on the other. I believe he was escorted away by police.