Tattoos

[old weatherd cross]

Hey Kids They Don't Come Off With Soap And Water.

After a few years you got nice black globby piece of junk that used to be skin.

Yeah!

That's Real CooL!

 

[Bella Vita]

Hey Kids They Don't Come Off With Soap And Water.

After a few years you got nice black globby piece of junk that used to be skin.

Yeah!

That's Real CooL!

Actually not anymore the ink they use today lasts forever it keeps it shape and holds very well color will still need to be retouched after many years but black and grey lasts forever. I have a friend who owns a shop that's how I know.

 

[old weatherd cross]

Actually not anymore the ink they use today lasts forever it keeps it shape and holds very well color will still need to be retouched after many years but black and grey lasts forever. I have a friend who owns a shop that's how I know.

Yeah, that's what they told me five years ago.

tattOO "artist" got ta eat too!

YO 2 PHAT

 

[Bella Vita]

Yeah, that's what they told me five years ago.

tattOO "artist" got ta eat too!

YO 2 PHAT

Well maybe you went to a crap artist but they really do have better ink today than they use to.

 

[TheDag]

Dude .... you keep saying you spoke no curse, but then you've said at least twice now that it is a curse.

He has not spoken a curse against anyone. You really need to let this go. What is wrong wih hopingthat God will make his will on a matter known to us? Seriously that is what your complaining about. Read what was said again if need be.

 

[UTVols345]

All I know about tats is don't get them when you're drunk. And don't pick one off of the wall. Oh and make sure you know the artist is good or you end up with...ew.


Yes, I am speaking from experience.

 

[day time]

He has not spoken a curse against anyone. You really need to let this go. What is wrong wih hopingthat God will make his will on a matter known to us? Seriously that is what your complaining about. Read what was said again if need be.

Huh ? lol He said it was a curse and that it would surely come. His words, not mine.

But I need to let it go ? I made one single post about it ... perhaps you're trying to give this opinion to another poster ?

Not sure where your other insinuations are coming from, again, unless you meant to direct them at someone else.

 

[Peripatetic]

I don't particularly like Tattoos, but I do cringe when people quote Leviticus 28 without mentioning the context. I wonder if those who condemn tattoos allow themselves to trim their beards or cut the hair on the sides of their head, which is also forbidden one verse before in Leviticus 27. Verse 26 provides the context: "Do not practice divination or seek omens." Certain ways of cutting hair and beards, as well as marking and cutting skin were all part of pagan magic (divination) and were forbidden by Old Testament laws in order to keep Israel away from these practices. Just another example of why quoting the Bible one line at a time without context can be misleading.

 

[wayfaring man]

posted - yes, it's a curse against the pervasive ignorance which keeps many of us from understanding God's good and perfect will.

And be sure it will come, if not now, then with Christ's imminent Return.

Furthermore, if we're aligned well with God's will, we welcome His Judgment, for it confirms what we've been holding fast to - through these sometimes turbulent times.

Only the rebellious need shudder, and try to hide from The Lord & His Judgment !

To use your term "ignorance" from post #52 doesn't align nor shudder. This is towards people who don't agree with you.

Once again you're not seeing "the big picture", my so called "curse" is upon ignorance. While The Lord's is/will be upon those who love ignorance so much they reject the knowledge of God, and unrepentantly live rebelliously - those of us who are such, ought to, and will indeed, shudder terribly at His Judgment !

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbade the madness of the prophet.
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. <-----> 2nd Peter 2:14-17

Run to the light, before the night comes !

And deface His Temple no more !

wm

 

[day time]

Once again you're not seeing "the big picture", my so called "curse" is upon ignorance. While The Lord's is/will be upon those who love ignorance so much they reject the knowledge of God, and unrepentantly live rebelliously - those of us who are such, ought to, and will indeed, shudder terribly at His Judgment !

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbade the madness of the prophet.
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. <-----> 2nd Peter 2:14-17

Run to the light, before the night comes !

And deface His Temple no more !

wm

If you believe that you are ignorant in some form or fashion of something, then as far as I can tell, you are cursing yourself.

Why ?

 

[wayfaring man]

One more time now -

In appealing for The Lord to make things plain, I am indirectly seeking a curse or a deadly blow to the ignorance which keeps us in the dark, as to what His will is for us in this and all relevant matters.

Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.
Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day. <-----> Psalm 25:4+5

But some apparently profit through taking advantage of other people's ignorance, therefore I ask The Lord to take the ignorance away, which apparently angers those who so profit and their "clinger ons".

Don't think it needs to be explained here any further, either you "get it" or you "don't", and The Lord has the final word at any rate !


wm

 

[TheDag]

Huh ? lol He said it was a curse and that it would surely come. His words, not mine.

But I need to let it go ? I made one single post about it ... perhaps you're trying to give this opinion to another poster ?

Yes it was mainly another poster who this was directed at. however part of my post is still relevent to you. What he said was that he did not surse anyone. That refers to a person. the original accusation was that he was cursing people. At no point in time did he curse anyone.

Cursing things like ignorance is not biblically wrong.

 

[tturt]

You're entitled to your opinion as am I.

 

[day time]

One more time now -

In appealing for The Lord to make things plain, I am indirectly seeking a curse or a deadly blow to the ignorance which keeps us in the dark, as to what His will is for us in this and all relevant matters.

Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.
Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day. <-----> Psalm 25:4+5

But some apparently profit through taking advantage of other people's ignorance, therefore I ask The Lord to take the ignorance away, which apparently angers those who so profit and their "clinger ons".

Don't think it needs to be explained here any further, either you "get it" or you "don't", and The Lord has the final word at any rate !


wm

Simply put: I don't understand why you would want to create and ask for a curse for the Lord to destroy. Any curse. Why would you want to take part in creating a curse that would effect yourself or others, even others you say need to run and hide and shudder. I don't understand why you would ask for something to be created that effects another human being or yourself in that manner.

More detailed-ly put: reading your post #39 ... and I see you say that you're expressing your conviction. And here you say that the Lord has the final word anyway. Which implies that you admit you might be speaking out of your own conviction, and not for all people.

So if you believe all of that ... this is what I don't understand:
Why would you specifically ask for a *curse* on something ? And you can say it's only your conviction, or that it's "I am indirectly seeking this" ... which sounds like double-speak with a *wink wink* attached to it.

And you can say it's not a curse on people ... but then you admit that it will be something that deals with us: a blow over something that keeps US in the dark. Us are people, right ?

You also say that the rebellious need to shudder and hid from judgement, and that those who are aligned with God's will, welcome his judgement. Those are all parts of the curse, right ? And those deal with people .... right ?

This is what I'm not understanding, and it's going off the assumption that you are a person who might say: "Of course I suffer from rebellion and ignorance .. I'm a sinner ...". Which you might say you have none of those aspects to your nature, I don't know. But assuming you do .... why would you seek a curse on some part of something that effects you, and say that you need to shudder and hide ?

Why not pray for judgement without creating new curses for the Lord to destroy, which could "indirectly" curse others and even your ownself, telling them they need to shudder and hide ? Do *you* want to shudder and hide and create curses for the Lord to destroy ?

Maybe you've had a lot of positive experiences from asking for curses and seeing people run in fear from judgement ... if so, maybe you could share an example of a curse you asked for, and the effect it had on other people ?

Yes it was mainly another poster who this was directed at. however part of my post is still relevent to you. What he said was that he did not surse anyone. That refers to a person. the original accusation was that he was cursing people. At no point in time did he curse anyone.

Cursing things like ignorance is not biblically wrong.

In the posts where he says it's a curse, he mentions people and the effect it will have on them. So since you are saying that he's not referring to people, can you please explain to me the effect his curse will have that won't effect people in any way.

 

[TheDag]

In the posts where he says it's a curse, he mentions people and the effect it will have on them. So since you are saying that he's not referring to people, can you please explain to me the effect his curse will have that won't effect people in any way.

Perhaps he is guilty of poor phrasing. hardly the crime of the century and worth getting so caught up on. if ignorance about what is God's will disapeared you are saying that is a bad thing. How can it be a bad thing to know God's will??? perhaps you need to answer that question.

 

[day time]

Perhaps he is guilty of poor phrasing. hardly the crime of the century and worth getting so caught up on. if ignorance about what is God's will disapeared you are saying that is a bad thing. How can it be a bad thing to know God's will??? perhaps you need to answer that question.

I'm having to get used to the strawmen and dodging questions about your own words on this forum. I think that was an unrealistic expectation I may have had :~(

Please show me where I said that ignorance about God's will disappearing is a bad thing. I don't have to answer the question because no one asked me. Before putting words in my mouth and saying I said things I never did ... feel free to ask my opinion if you like. It's so easy to do.

And I didn't say it was a crime .... I said I don't understand *why*, and I was also trying to understand the nature of his curse. I wanted to understand a lot about it actually: what he would feel he were to gain personally by asking for and creating a curse, what it would benefit him, why he would choose a curse over a blessing, etc and so forth ... general questions.

I don't totally understand why the avoidance. It was said in the open ... I want to ask questions about it and him.

If he doesn't want to answer, he doesn't have to. It's simple. I'm not typically the type of person to post "call out" posts .... "Well .... your evasion is noted" or "not going to answer?" and things of that nature .... so he answers or he doesn't.

Why is my questioning causing this reaction in you if I may ask ? See ? It's easy. I ask you what you are thinking .... you can tell me or not. No strawman and accusations necessary.

 

[TheDag]

I'm having to get used to the strawmen and dodging questions about your own words on this forum. I think that was an unrealistic expectation I may have had :~(

Please show me where I said that ignorance about God's will disappearing is a bad thing. I don't have to answer the question because no one asked me. Before putting words in my mouth and saying I said things I never did ... feel free to ask my opinion if you like. It's so easy to do.

And I didn't say it was a crime .... I said I don't understand *why*, and I was also trying to understand the nature of his curse. I wanted to understand a lot about it actually: what he would feel he were to gain personally by asking for and creating a curse, what it would benefit him, why he would choose a curse over a blessing, etc and so forth ... general questions.

I don't totally understand why the avoidance. It was said in the open ... I want to ask questions about it and him.

If he doesn't want to answer, he doesn't have to. It's simple. I'm not typically the type of person to post "call out" posts .... "Well .... your evasion is noted" or "not going to answer?" and things of that nature .... so he answers or he doesn't.

Why is my questioning causing this reaction in you if I may ask ? See ? It's easy. I ask you what you are thinking .... you can tell me or not. No strawman and accusations necessary.

i have seen your opinion. you have stated it quite clearly. The original satatement was that ignorance of God's will would dissapear. You and others have goten upset over that. people have said that he is cursing people. That was never said. it is all there easy to read.

 

[day time]

i have seen your opinion. you have stated it quite clearly.

Show me where I stated what my opinion was ... I would like to see what you are interpreting.

The original satatement was that ignorance of God's will would dissapear. You and others have goten upset over that. people have said that he is cursing people. That was never said. it is all there easy to read.

When did I get upset ?

And yes ... he said it was cursing several times now. Regardless of whether or not he directly said "I curse people" ... he is saying he is cursing things that effect people, and then describing what those people should do.

Again ... I'm asking *him* about his statements. And he's not even replying, and I'm not pressing him too either. I don't understand why you are having this reaction .... but I would like for you to explain it, so I can see in my words what you are thinking are there, because you are claiming things I didn't say, and telling me I'm upset when I'm not. I would like to understand your *behavior*: your reasoning, what you are thinking, why you are saying what you are saying, etc .... would you please care to explain rather than accusing me of saying things I don't see that I said ? Perhaps you are seeing something that isn't there ?

 

[brohammer26]

I got one when I was younger because I thouht it would be cool. At least it is small and looks ok enough to not have removed.

 

[TheDag]

Show me where I stated what my opinion was ... I would like to see what you are interpreting.

When did I get upset ?

And yes ... he said it was cursing several times now. Regardless of whether or not he directly said "I curse people" ... he is saying he is cursing things that effect people, and then describing what those people should do.

Again ... I'm asking *him* about his statements. And he's not even replying, and I'm not pressing him too either. I don't understand why you are having this reaction .... but I would like for you to explain it, so I can see in my words what you are thinking are there, because you are claiming things I didn't say, and telling me I'm upset when I'm not. I would like to understand your *behavior*: your reasoning, what you are thinking, why you are saying what you are saying, etc .... would you please care to explain rather than accusing me of saying things I don't see that I said ? Perhaps you are seeing something that isn't there ?

The part that I bolded shows you are not getting it. Did jesus curse people when he cursed the fig tree? Your logic says Jesus did because people can get food from a fig tree and without that fig tree there they would not be able to get food from it. Therefore it affects people and must be cursing people. i don't think that is how the passage is meant to be understood. it is possible to curse things without cursing people. You have taken what someone prayed about getting rid of ignorance and then claim that he is cursing people. i never said he didn't use the word curse (although I think it was a poor choice of word) I just said he did not curse people.

The following quote shows your claim that he is cursing people.

If you believe that you are ignorant in some form or fashion of something, then as far as I can tell, you are cursing yourself.

Why?

You also need to take into consideration the comment made by WM which says

Once again you're not seeing "the big picture", my so called "curse" is upon ignorance

Note the use of the phrase i bolded. From the words so called we can see he doesn't really mean a curse in the sense you take it to mean. That is also shown by the quote marks around the word curse. When jesus is talking to his disciples and says whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven that is essentially what is being spoken off here. WM is binding ignorance of God's will. yes that affects him as he has acknowledged he is not perfect and does not know God's will on every single matter. So wanting to get rid of ignorance of God's will is a good thing. Surely you agree. yet you are questioning why he would want to do such a thing when you ask the question Why?