Tattoo's

[Andy Broadley]

I dunno if desecrate is the word I would use, but I personally wouldn't have one.

They might look good when you are young, but as the body ages they look really lose it.

 

[fushiarose]

I think it matters a lot what the tattoo is. I work retail and have seen thousands of tattoos. It is very common where I live.
Tattoo's of racist things and naked women is evil. Tattoos of offensive nature are bad.
Tattoo's of a religious nature I think are nice. jmho. I like the way the lead singer of Good Charlotte was tattoos with religious, Christian meaning. I have seen regular folks with such tattoos. I also think it is nice to have a tattoo remembering a lost loved one. Tattoos of butterflies and roses are nice too.
I don't have any tattoos but have relatives (sister included) that do. I also have co-workers with tattoos. I just don't think it is a big deal if done in a tasteful way.

 

[missprayerwarrior]

Personally, I voted no. I think it really does depend on what the tattoo is of though. I don't think it would be right for someone to get a devil or something demonic tattooed on themself. However, I don't see anything wrong with getting something like a cross.

BTW.. I have a descending dove (symbolizing the Holy Spirit) with fire (which comes from Luke 3:16)

 

[StrawberryShortcake2]

Tattoos aren't wrong, just an expression of who you are.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Tattoos aren't wrong, just an expression of who you are.

Tattoos are symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence. It is not just a coincidence that tattoo parlors are typically found in the parts of town frequented by those persons who are the most severely entangled in multiple, life-controlling sins. And it is not just a coincidence that that those persons who are intelligent enough and mentally, psychologically, socially, and spiritually well enough to work in a well-paid profession buy their art from reputable art dealers located in the finest parts of the finest cities in world.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Are you saying that a tattoo of a cross on your body is the same as a tattoo of a pagan symbol?

Galatians 6:17 - From now on let no one trouble me, for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

Interpret it how you want, I'm not necessarily saying that this passage is condoning tattoos, but obviously Paul has some marks (scars, injuries?) on his body from preaching the gospel. And what is a tattoo, but a scar, a symbol of events in our lives, or our personal beliefs?

I'm just saying that if someone goes out and gets a tattoo for the RIGHT reasons, I don't think they're going to be judged harshly by the Lord for having a tattoo.

PS. If you want to quote Leviticus, then at the very least take into account the CONTEXT that the laws were written in, and how we view the rest of the laws...

I do not believe that Paul was writing in Galatians 6:17 that he went to a tattoo parlor located between an “adult” bookstore and a liquor store and got a tattoo that said “I am a Christian.”

12. Those who desire to make a good showing in the flesh try to compel you to be circumcised, simply so that they will not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.
13. For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
14. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15. For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
16. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
17. From now on let no one cause trouble for me, for I bear on my body the brand-marks of Jesus. (NASB, 1995)

I believe that it is much more likely that Paul is contrasting the scars on his body from being stoned in Lystra (Acts 14:19) for preaching the gospel of Christ with the scars from circumcision (Gal. 6:12, 13), and boasting in the former as opposed to the latter. Paul, before his conversion to the Christian faith, was a Jew, and not just a Jew, but a Pharisee, and as is pointed out by Dr. Otto Betz, Professor of New Testament and Jewish Studies in Tübingen, Germany, in his article on the Greek word στιγματα in the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, vol. VII, pp. 657-664, both the Torah and the contemporary Pharisaic teaching against tattoos make it “most unlikely” that Paul would have gotten any kind of a tattoo or branding mark.

I also believe that the translation 'brand-marks' used in the NASB (1977 and 1995) of the Greek word στιγματα found in Gal. 6:17 is inferior to the translation ‘marks’ found in the RSV, NRSV, NAB and several other translations. In this instance, rather than following the BAGD lexicon as they typically do, they inappropriately departed from it.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Tattoos are symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence. It is not just a coincidence that tattoo parlors are typically found in the parts of town frequented by those persons who are the most severely entangled in multiple, life-controlling sins. And it is not just a coincidence that that those persons who are intelligent enough and mentally, psychologically, socially, and spiritually well enough to work in a well-paid profession buy their art from reputable art dealers located in the finest parts of the finest cities in world.

I'm sorry man, but if anybody is immature, it's you. You're so stereotypical.
I just wanna make sure I get what you're saying though. You think that everybody that gets/has a tattoo is, and I quote you here, "an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence.".....And it is not just a coincidence that that those persons who are intelligent enough and mentally, psychologically, socially, and spiritually well enough to work in a well-paid profession buy their art from reputable art dealers located in the finest parts of the finest cities in world."

So, what you're saying is that only people who buy $250,000 paintings and go to $500 cup wine tastings are the only intelligent, sophisticated types of people?
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I graduated from high-school ranked 5th in my class and I was 16. My IQ is 161. I go to college at Florida State University and I'm about to transfer to the Art Institute of Pittsburgh. So, since I have a tattoo and don't own a fine piece of art, that looks like one of my nephews could do better, that means I'm not sophisticated?!
If anybody in this thread isn't sophisticated, it would be you. And the only reason why I say that is because you're so stereotypical, and you have no concept of REAL life. So go on and have fun with your money. All it can buy is material things. It can't buy friends, love, or happiness.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

I'm sorry man, but if anybody is immature, it's you. You're so stereotypical.
I just wanna make sure I get what you're saying though. You think that everybody that gets/has a tattoo is, and I quote you here, "an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence.".....And it is not just a coincidence that that those persons who are intelligent enough and mentally, psychologically, socially, and spiritually well enough to work in a well-paid profession buy their art from reputable art dealers located in the finest parts of the finest cities in world."

So, what you're saying is that only people who buy $250,000 paintings and go to $500 cup wine tastings are the only intelligent, sophisticated types of people?
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I graduated from high-school ranked 5th in my class and I was 16. My IQ is 161. I go to college at Florida State University and I'm about to transfer to the Art Institute of Pittsburgh. So, since I have a tattoo and don't own a fine piece of art, that looks like one of my nephews could do better, that means I'm not sophisticated?!
If anybody in this thread isn't sophisticated, it would be you. And the only reason why I say that is because you're so stereotypical, and you have no concept of REAL life. So go on and have fun with your money. All it can buy is material things. It can't buy friends, love, or happiness.

First you judge me and insult me and then you say that you want to make sure that you correctly understood what I wrote. Having done that, you quote me out of context and make it appear that I wrote something very different than what I actually wrote. I do not think, neither did I write or imply, that everybody that gets/has a tattoo is correctly characterized as having or suffering from an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence. I wrote, “Tattoos are symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence.”

A severe pain in the abdomen is symptomatic of a gun shot wound to the abdomen, but that does NOT mean that a gun shot wound to the abdomen would necessarily be the cause of the pain—the pain may be due instead to any number or combination of other causes. Likewise, a getting a tattoo, although “symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence,” may be caused by any number or combination of other causes.

Much the same is true of the rest of my post and the inferences that you drew from it, inferences of things that were not implied, were radically incorrect.

The frequent use of a good dictionary, a thorough study of a college-level grammar, and an introductory college course in logic may be of substantial help to you.

 

[MrJim]

PrincetonGuy~ya still got it dude, glad to see ya around again

 

[fushiarose]

Tattoos are symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence. It is not just a coincidence that tattoo parlors are typically found in the parts of town frequented by those persons who are the most severely entangled in multiple, life-controlling sins. And it is not just a coincidence that that those persons who are intelligent enough and mentally, psychologically, socially, and spiritually well enough to work in a well-paid profession buy their art from reputable art dealers located in the finest parts of the finest cities in world.

Does that mean that you immediately dislike anyone that has a tattoo? Do you know anyone really good that has a tattoo? Your statement does NOT fit the description of the people I know that have tattoos.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Does that mean that you immediately dislike anyone that has a tattoo? Do you know anyone really good that has a tattoo? Your statement does NOT fit the description of the people I know that have tattoos.

I have always lived in the best part of town, I have attended and graduated from only the very finest and most elite private schools and universities, I have attained to a very prestigious position in the top-rated (for academic excellence) university in the United States, and I avoid people with tattoos with more zeal and gusto than I do the Black Plague of Europe. Why should I associate with gutter rats when I have more friends than I can count in the most elite social circles who are famous for their contributions to the fine arts and higher education? For some photographs of my vacation home in Asheville, North Carolina, please visit the website at this link:

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Biltmore_House.html

My primary residence is much larger and grander, but for the sake of privacy I do not disclose the location of it to the general public.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

Are you serious?!

Ok man, you need to get off your high horse and look around. Better yet, look at what you're writing! You just contradicted yourself sooo bad! Ok, now lets quote your last comment. Direct and uncut, seeing as how you think that I altered your former choice of words:

"First you judge me and insult me and then you say that you want to make sure that you correctly understood what I wrote. Having done that, you quote me out of context and make it appear that I wrote something very different than what I actually wrote. I do not think, neither did I write or imply, that everybody that gets/has a tattoo is correctly characterized as having or suffering from an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence. I wrote, “Tattoos are symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence.”

A severe pain in the abdomen is symptomatic of a gun shot wound to the abdomen, but that does NOT mean that a gun shot wound to the abdomen would necessarily be the cause of the pain—the pain may be due instead to any number or combination of other causes. Likewise, a getting a tattoo, although “symptomatic of an immature personality, low self-esteem, poor judgment, a propensity toward sin, moral depravity, a rebellious disposition, and a basic lack of intelligence,” may be caused by any number or combination of other causes.

Much the same is true of the rest of my post and the inferences that you drew from it, inferences of things that were not implied, were radically incorrect.

The frequent use of a good dictionary, a thorough study of a college-level grammar, and an introductory college course in logic may be of substantial help to you."

Alright, I even included the little, "I'm smarter than you so check out my little zinger I have for you" ending comment. I got a kick out of that. But anyways, I don't know if you noticed, but I was correct on the way I judged you. And yes, it was wrong of me, but I know so many more respectable people than who you are that HAVE tattoo's.
You, obviously, don't have ANY clue what you're talking about because you, "Avoid them like the black plague." because you think, for some reason, you're better than those people. Well, you're not. And I'll also tell you, that because of that, I have no respect for you. I did, until that statement.

 

[MrJim]

and I avoid people with tattoos with more zeal and gusto than I do the Black Plague of Europe. Why should I associate with gutter rats when I have more friends than I can count in the most elite social circles who are famous for their contributions to the fine arts and higher education?

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Biltmore_House.html

My primary residence is much larger and grander, but for the sake of privacy I do not disclose the location of it to the general public.

 

[fushiarose]

I have always lived in the best part of town, I have attended and graduated from only the very finest and most elite private schools and universities, I have attained to a very prestigious position in the top-rated (for academic excellence) university in the United States, and I avoid people with tattoos with more zeal and gusto than I do the Black Plague of Europe. Why should I associate with gutter rats when I have more friends than I can count in the most elite social circles who are famous for their contributions to the fine arts and higher education? For some photographs of my vacation home in Asheville, North Carolina, please visit the website at this link:

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Biltmore_House.html

My primary residence is much larger and grander, but for the sake of privacy I do not disclose the location of it to the general public.

Winston Churchill and F.D.R. both had tattoos. I would not consider them low class but that is just me. but that is just my humble peasant opinion.
I am just glad that yall rich folks talkin to us common folks. Im not worthy. I am just not worthy.

 

[MrJim]

To quote PrincetonGuy's sig:
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 (NKJV)...and that includes people with tattoos too

 

[jsimms615]

Since the piercings thread is up and running, lets stick this one right next to it. I want to see what people think about tattoo's since I've seen what some have thought about piercings. Are tattoo's good or evil?

You are permanently scarring your body when you get a tattoo that is what they are. So, I would say Yes.

 

[ernest_theweedwhackerguy]

I have always lived in the best part of town, I have attended and graduated from only the very finest and most elite private schools and universities, I have attained to a very prestigious position in the top-rated (for academic excellence) university in the United States, and I avoid people with tattoos with more zeal and gusto than I do the Black Plague of Europe. Why should I associate with gutter rats when I have more friends than I can count in the most elite social circles who are famous for their contributions to the fine arts and higher education? For some photographs of my vacation home in Asheville, North Carolina, please visit the website at this link:

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Biltmore_House.html

My primary residence is much larger and grander, but for the sake of privacy I do not disclose the location of it to the general public.

So you honestly expect us to believe your vacation home is a piece of American history?!
You're dumber than I thought! I have a book on the Biltmore ESTATE right next to me. I figured you'd at least get the title right to your own "HOUSE"!

Nice try though. My uncle lives about 40 minutes from the Biltmore, so I've taken a tour, and can tell EVERYBODY that it isn't your house.
And if it is, you should remember my face, because I sat and talked with the real owner for about 45 minutes.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

So you honestly expect us to believe your vacation home is a piece of American history?!
You're dumber than I thought! I have a book on the Biltmore ESTATE right next to me. I figured you'd at least get the title right to your own "HOUSE"!

Nice try though. My uncle lives about 40 minutes from the Biltmore, so I've taken a tour, and can tell EVERYBODY that it isn't your house.
And if it is, you should remember my face, because I sat and talked with the real owner for about 45 minutes.

You must have talked with Harold, one of my 143 employees that maintain the HOUSE and the rest of the ESTATE. Harold has delusions of grandeur and likes to pretend that he owns my HOUSE. The use of the word “ESTATE” sounds a bit too snobbish, and being a humble country gentleman, I simply refer to the property as my “VACATION HOME” or my “HOUSE” in Asheville.


And Harold doesn’t have any tattoos!

 

[tturt]

Some bikers who become Christian change their previous tattoos. Plus some get tattoos to announce to the world, they're believers.

Always amused as some believers are totally against tattoos yet their ears' are pierced.

 

[tturt]

Lev 19
28Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
(some say this had to do with pagan worship).

Yet - (Isaiah 49.16): 'See, I have inscribed you on the palms of my hands.' (Don't know how much the wording changed through the translations).