Tallit Use?

[Mikhail]

Hi All,
To all the guys on this list I was wondreing who uses a Tallit?
If so, then just for Public Worship or in personal times of prayer etc.

I have just purchased my first Tallit it is huge size 70 but then I am 6 foot tall and 215 lb's. It looks great as has multicolored stripes instead of just black or blue symbolic of Joseph's coat of many colors. I just can't help it that Italian Flare for Fashion .

Any tips for how I use it?

My MJ Congregation are gunna flip as it is an unspoken rule that on Jewish Blood is permitted to wear Jewish Regalia for lack of a better word.

They just about had kittens when I started wearing Tallit Kahtan with TziTzit.
Appreciate your feedback.

Also is their a particular way to put it on.
Shalom,
Mikhail

 

[Zacharias]

To all the guys on this list I was wondreing who uses a Tallit?
If so, then just for Public Worship or in personal times of prayer etc.
If you're speaking of the "prayer shawl tallit" yes you are correct.

Any tips for how I use it?
This way is common:

(As taken from: http://people.howstuffworks.com/yom-kippur2.htm)

Shalom!

 

[MyLittleWonders]

My husband also wears his like that picture. A man out our shul has a very large one and when he puts his around his shoulders, he pulls the two bottom corners (the ones that would be on the edge hanging down around your thighs/knees) up over his shoulders so that both sets of tzitzit are coming over the shoulders. Then during prayers my husband just pulls it up over his head.

I'm sorry to hear that your congregation doesn't extend the wearing of tzitzit/tallit to gentiles ... that is simply not Scriptural. They sound somewhat like our congregation (though our shul doesn't have a problem with my husband wearing the tallit and tzitzit but don't see it as necessary for him as a gentile).

Gotta go ... baby's up ... hope my description helps!

 

[Andyman_1970]

Yeah that's how I've worn mine.

Disclaimer: I do not wear it to church (or regularly for that matter), but do use it when teaching about when the woman who was bleeding for 12 years grabbed Jesus' Tzitzit and was healed.

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

We use Tallit were I go and I just started using one in the last two weeks. The one I picked which has red stripes I am told is a Levite one. When I picked it, I didn't know.

I also remember that you shouldn't let tzitzit touch the ground. So it makes me wonder if the persons I see letting tzitzit touch the ground are even aware. I am very aware as to where the tzitzit are at all times, especially after the first time I accidently let one touch the ground.

I do have one that I want to purchase for myself in the near future:
http://www.judaicadirect.com/446_71/Gabrieli_silk_tallit_set_in_green_with_silver
Gabrieli silk Tallit Set in Green with Silver

I like green

Shalom Aleichem,

Tag

 

[plum]

Do only men wear them? Where does it mention who wears them in Scripture?

 

[Zacharias]

Do only men wear them? Where does it mention who wears them in Scripture?

In Orthodox Judaism only males wear them.

Numbers (B'midbar) 15:38-40
"Speak to the people of Isra'el, instructing them to make, through all their generations, tzitziyot on the corners of their garments, and to put with the tzitzit on each corner a blue thread. It is to be a tzitzit for you to look at and thereby remember all of ADONAI's mitzvot and obey them, so that you won't go around wherever your own heart and eyes lead you to prostitute yourselves; but it will help you remember and obey all my mitzvot and be holy for your God. (CJB)

The Tanakh however doesn't speak on it.

 

[Henaynei]

In traditional Judaism, and most observant MJ communities, only men wear the tallit/tzitzit and kippah - women are relieved of having to observe many of the positive commandments as it is acknowledged that the tasks of raising a family are higher - only observance of the negative commandments are immutable for the women - in time certain of the positive commands have taken on the weight of tradition identifying them as "things pertaining to men" and thus forbidden for women to do ....

many of the more modern observant women, while being able to reason around such traditions, nevertheless view it a sacred and high service to avoid encroaching on the few areas left to men as strictly male traditions, especially in today's culture that forcibly encourages women to shun in embarrassment and cast off their traditional gender roles and "grab all the gusto you can get" by claiming their "right" to do, act and essentially be a participant in the male roles.....

 

[Bruce101]

I wear mine for prayer at my house only.
For now any way.

Bruce

 

[Mikhail]

In traditional Judaism, and most observant MJ communities, only men wear the tallit/tzitzit and kippah - women are relieved of having to observe many of the positive commandments as it is acknowledged that the tasks of raising a family are higher - only observance of the negative commandments are immutable for the women - in time certain of the positive commands have taken on the weight of tradition identifying them as "things pertaining to men" and thus forbidden for women to do ....

many of the more modern observant women, while being able to reason around such traditions, nevertheless view it a sacred and high service to avoid encroaching on the few areas left to men as strictly male traditions, especially in today's culture that forcibly encourages women to shun in embarrassment and cast off their traditional gender roles and "grab all the gusto you can get" by claiming their "right" to do, act and essentially be a participant in the male roles.....

Hi Henaynei,
but woman do use a more feminine form of head covering when theysay the blessings and prayers do they not?
Shalom,
Mikhail

 

[Mikhail]

We use Tallit were I go and I just started using one in the last two weeks. The one I picked which has red stripes I am told is a Levite one. When I picked it, I didn't know.

I also remember that you shouldn't let tzitzit touch the ground. So it makes me wonder if the persons I see letting tzitzit touch the ground are even aware. I am very aware as to where the tzitzit are at all times, especially after the first time I accidently let one touch the ground.

I do have one that I want to purchase for myself in the near future:

Gabrieli silk Tallit Set in Green with Silver

I like green

Shalom Aleichem,

Tag

I am so please with it I want to show it to my online Mispocha
http://www.hostingworx.com.au/image_00098.jpg

I will have to learn to put it on without dragging my tzitzit on the floor, unfortunatley one of the closest brethren of Jewish stock ( I hate to use that term, but do it to make the point) at my MJ congregation has said
"I will not be able to assist nor discuss with you about these matters, because I am not in agreement with the convicting motive that is driving you to conduct the works of the Torah."
Shalom,
Mikhail

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Hi Henaynei,
but woman do use a more feminine form of head covering when theysay the blessings and prayers do they not?
Shalom,
Mikhail

In the fellowship I am part of, some of the women do wear something like a scarf.

Shalom,

Tag

 

[MyLittleWonders]

I am so please with it I want to show it to my online Mispocha
http://www.hostingworx.com.au/image_00098.jpg

I will have to learn to put it on without dragging my tzitzit on the floor, unfortunatley one of the closest brethren of Jewish stock ( I hate to use that term, but do it to make the point) at my MJ congregation has said
"I will not be able to assist nor discuss with you about these matters, because I am not in agreement with the convicting motive that is driving you to conduct the works of the Torah."
Shalom,
Mikhail

That is a beautiful tallit. Is it a wool tallit? I would love to save some extra money and get one like that for my husband one day.

And I am so sad to hear of the remark you got from your Jewish brethren at your MJ congregation. It is so sad that there is still the dividing wall between Jewish and Gentile believers in Yeshua in terms of Torah.

 

[Sephania]

One thing no one mentioned amoungst the who should and shouldn't and why and why not is that you should not wear it into the bathroom. I could not tell by your picture if it has an attarah ( crown or collar with the blessing) or not but you don't take that into the bathroom.

 

[Torah]

Zayit
At our congregation we have a very nice coat holder out side the bathroom. Just for this.

 

[Zacharias]

One thing no one mentioned amoungst the who should and shouldn't and why and why not is that you should not wear it into the bathroom. I could not tell by your picture if it has an attarah ( crown or collar with the blessing) or not but you don't take that into the bathroom.

Is it the same for the tallit katan?

 

[Mikhail]

That is a beautiful tallit. Is it a wool tallit? I would love to save some extra money and get one like that for my husband one day.

And I am so sad to hear of the remark you got from your Jewish brethren at your MJ congregation. It is so sad that there is still the dividing wall between Jewish and Gentile believers in Yeshua in terms of Torah.

Sadder still they accuse me of doing that because I am Torah Obedient.
Yes it is pure wool.
Shabbat Shalom,
Mikhail

 

[Mikhail]

One thing no one mentioned amoungst the who should and shouldn't and why and why not is that you should not wear it into the bathroom. I could not tell by your picture if it has an attarah ( crown or collar with the blessing) or not but you don't take that into the bathroom.

Yes it has the collar with the blessing on it. What you saw was only about 1/8th of it's size.
Shalom,
Mikhail

 

[Henaynei]

That is a beautiful tallit. Is it a wool tallit? I would love to save some extra money and get one like that for my husband one day.

And I am so sad to hear of the remark you got from your Jewish brethren at your MJ congregation. It is so sad that there is still the dividing wall between Jewish and Gentile believers in Yeshua in terms of Torah.

careful jumping to conclusions the "wall" in this case could just as easily be one we have encountered: Jewish MJs who do not believe that the Law is to be obeyed... and therefore "do not in agreement with the convicting motive that is driving you to conduct the works of the Torah." Note that "they accuse me of doing that because I am Torah Obedient" NOT because he is a gentile.

 

[MyLittleWonders]

That's a good point Henaynei ... thanks for bringing another perspective in.