Taking questions on the Creation.

[AV1611VET]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation Week and try my best to answer them from a Biblical perspective.

I'll even throw in some educated guesses, opinions, and ad libs ---

 

[dewaddict84]

I'll even throw in some educated guesses, opinions, and ad libs

No doubt.

If that week happened 6000 years ago, how do you explain sunlight seeming to originate from origins farther then 6000 light years away?

Couldn't it be a metaphor? Jesus is not literally a door even though it clearly quotes Jesus as saying "I am the door". And people back then didn't know a lot of things. They weren't necessarily dumb, but even if the big bang was explained to them, they probably wouldn't be able to convey it to others.

How does a day exist before there is a sunrise and sunset?

Isn't god supposed to be omnipotent? Why rest on the 7th day?

What's with all the bones in the ground?

Why earth? Why not somewhere else? Furthermore, when did he make all the other planets and stuff, before during, or after our hunk of dirt?

 

[AV1611VET]

If that week happened 6000 years ago, how do you explain sunlight seeming to originate from origins farther then 6000 light years away?

Starlight originated from a point much closer to the earth in Genesis 1, where the creation occurred in the hollow of God's hand --- (Isaiah 40:12).

Couldn't it be a metaphor?

No --- Genesis 1 is to be taken literally --- (see Isaiah 45:18-19)

How does a day exist before there is a sunrise and sunset?

It would be one rotation of the earth on its axis.

Isn't god supposed to be omnipotent? Why rest on the 7th day?

'Rested' means 'stopped'.

God purposely took six days, then stopped on the seventh, so as to use it as a model for the workweek that He instituted in the Ten Commandments --- (Exodus 20: 9-11).

What's with all the bones in the ground?

Dead stuff --- but not in Genesis 1.

Why earth? Why not somewhere else?

This earth we live on is the very first object with mass that ever appeared in the universe --- (Genesis 1:1).

Thus the earth may not be geocentric, but it is certainly geoprominent.

Furthermore, when did he make all the other planets and stuff, before during, or after our hunk of dirt?

After --- when He created what is called Second Heaven--- (Genesis 1:14-19).

 

[random325nicaea]

1) Why did god take 6 days? he's omnipotent, he should be able to do it in a pico second.

2) HOW did god make all life forms?

3) why did god bother to put in a nested hiarchy of similarities, and then place fossils in the ground that show the formation of those? is he just trying to confuse us?

4) why only us? why didn't god bother to create millions of other "earths" with life on them, just so they can worship him?

5) why does god need worship anyway? isn't he all powerful and perfect already?

 

[AV1611VET]

1) Why did god take 6 days? he's omnipotent, he should be able to do it in a pico second.

2) HOW did god make all life forms?

3) why did god bother to put in a nested hiarchy of similarities, and then place fossils in the ground that show the formation of those? is he just trying to confuse us?

4) why only us? why didn't god bother to create millions of other "earths" with life on them, just so they can worship him?

5) why does god need worship anyway? isn't he all powerful and perfect already?

1. God could have indeed done all of Genesis 1 in one picosecond, but He "dragged it out" to six days on purpose. He then used Genesis 1 as a model for the workweek instituted in the Ten Commandments.

2. God created their incipients (kinds) ex materia --- meaning from pre-existing materials He created ex nihilo. (QV Genesis 1:9, 11, 20, 24 --- the 'let the' passages could be speaking of creatio ex materia.)

3. God did not put fossils in the ground in Genesis 1 --- or any other chapter.

4. We are called the Bride of Christ, and Christ wouldn't have multiple wives.

5. God knows that if we don't worship Him, we will worship anything and everything else. He doesn't 'need' worship, per se, He directs us to the right Object of Worship --- Himself.

 

[Sophophile]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation Week and try my best to answer them from a Biblical perspective.

I'll even throw in some educated guesses, opinions, and ad libs ---

Hi AV1611VET

When did supernova 1987A explode, and how far away from earth was it when it exploded?

Note: Astronomers place supernova 1987A about 168,000 light years away, and 168,000 years ago. Thus an absolute minimum, directly observed age of the universe is 168,000 years.

Thanks
S.

 

[Sophophile]

2. God created their incipients (kinds) ex materia --- meaning from pre-existing materials He created ex nihilo. (QV Genesis 1:9, 11, 20, 24 --- the 'let the' passages could be speaking of creatio ex materia.)

"Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation ..."
"And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures..."
"And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures..."

In these verses, God is clearly and unequivocally commanding the earth and the water to bring forth life. There is not a shadow of a doubt that this refers to creatio ex materia.

Moreover, the method and the timeframe of such creation ex materia is not specified. It could be an evolutionary process over billions of years, unless one can prove that the "days" of Genesis 1 could not possibly be metaphors for long periods of time.

Cheers
S.

 

[Sophophile]

5. God knows that if we don't worship Him, we will worship anything and everything else. He doesn't 'need' worship, per se, He directs us to the right Object of Worship --- Himself.

I like this answer.

Regards
S.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi AV1611VET

--- Howdy, Sophophile!

When did supernova 1987A explode, and how far away from earth was it when it exploded?

I don't mean to be rude or anything --- some people don't like me doing this --- but I have discussed SN1987 rather in-depth in a lengthy discussion with Jester.

QV please: 1063, ff --- thanks!

 

[AV1611VET]

Moreover, the method and the timeframe of such creation ex materia is not specified. It could be an evolutionary process over billions of years, unless one can prove that the "days" of Genesis 1 could not possibly be metaphors for long periods of time.

Well, again, we're getting into literal vs metaphor here, and I'd rather answer these questions from a literal POV.

I personally don't believe God started His Word out with metaphor.

 

[Sophophile]

--- Howdy, Sophophile!I don't mean to be rude or anything --- some people don't like me doing this --- but I have discussed SN1987 rather in-depth in a lengthy discussion with Jester.

QV please: 1063, ff --- thanks!

I don't mind the QV's at all.

However, I will be disappointed if there is no clear and unequivocal answer from you in that thread, and will come back here to ask again.

Regards
S.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like this answer.

Thank you!

God gets the credit for that one!

 

[Cabal]

5. God knows that if we don't worship Him, we will worship anything and everything else. He doesn't 'need' worship, per se, He directs us to the right Object of Worship --- Himself.

That presupposed that he still needed to create us and have us worshipping him.

If you're omnipotent, you shouldn't need either.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't mind the QV's at all.

However, I will be disappointed if there is no clear and unequivocal answer from you in that thread, and will come back here to ask again.

Regards
S.

Fair enough.

Lord willing --- I'll be here.

 

[AV1611VET]

That presupposed that he still needed to create us and have us worshipping him.

If you're omnipotent, you shouldn't need either.

God is a higher form of Love --- called 'agape'.

Agape Love requires an object to be loved --- therefore us.

He doesn't have to love us --- He could simply suppress agape --- but He chooses to love us.

In fact, He could simply love the angels, or the animals, or even just the plants --- nurturing and caring for them --- but He made us as the focus of His love, instead.

Praise His name!

 

[Cabal]

God is a higher form of Love --- called 'agape'.

Agape Love requires an object to be loved --- therefore us.

He doesn't have to love us --- He could simply suppress agape --- but He chooses to love us.

In fact, He could simply love the angels, or the animals, or even just the plants --- nurturing and caring for them --- but He made us as the focus of His love, instead.

Praise His name!

Right, except he put mankind into an allegedly perfect world that yet contained one fruit which (somehow) screwed up everything for not just the two humans at the time, but all their descendants.

And given that he's meant to be omnipotent and omniscient, even before creating everything he knew that he was going to be sending the vast majority of these beings he apparently loved so much to hell, as a result of putting a choice in front of them they had no way of fully understanding to begin with. At best it's bad planning, at worst it's either a lack of total omnipotence or actual sadism.

Surely the simpler solution that allows less suffering for all concerned is - don't create?

 

[Sophophile]

Fair enough.

Lord willing --- I'll be here.

Hi again AV1611VET

Its 1.00am here. I have read the QV thread. Indeed, you give an answer, whereby: God creates the supernova in the palm of His hand 168,000 light years away from earth (presumably His hand is much bigger than this), the light from the supernova begins to travel towards earth at the speed of God's will (presumably near infinite), but later the light slows down to its current speed.

Hope my summary is accurate. B+ for effort.

Unfortunately, the explanation doesn't work.

Remember: a supernova is an one-off instantaneous event. For thousands of years humans observed the star Sanduleak -69° 202a (a blue supergiant) shining steadily in the sky, not apparently moving very much at all. Then in 1987 they saw it explode.

For your explanation to work, there has to be some time period between the creation of the star (and its visible steady light) and the occurrence of the supernova (and its associated visible explosion). Logically the supernova explosion itself could not have been created first, otherwise how could we ever have seen the light of the precursor star Sanduleak -69° 202a?

Hence, my simple questions: How many years ago did the supernova explode, and how far away was it when it did? Your explanation in the QV did not answer these at all.

Thanks
S.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Why did god create all life with the ability to manufacture vitamin C, with the exception of primates (including humans), fruit bats, and guinea pigs?

Further, why did he create humans with fully functioning three of the four genes necessary to create vitamin C, but not 'turn on' the fourth gene necesarry for this?

 

[JusSumguy]

This thread is confusing to me.

OP....Do you believe that the creation occurred somewhere around 6000 years ago?


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[LifeToTheFullest!]

This thread is confusing to me.

OP....Do you believe that the creation occurred somewhere around 6000 years ago?


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Yes. He believes in a literal interpretation of the creation week somewhere around 6000 years ago.