Taking Questions on the Creation

[Catherineanne]

if you have any questions for me concerning the Creation, feel free to ask me, and I'll do my best to answer.

I asked a question some time ago which you have not yet answered. So I will ask it again, because much hinges on it.

Is your God, the God you read about in Genesis 1 (you appear to have lost the rest of your Bible, so we can stick to Genesis 1 if you like);

Is this God capable of, and actually practising in Genesis 1, deceit? Is the world we hear described being created, created with dinosaur bones etc built in? Is God practising deception, even before the fall of Man?

Yes or no.

And bear in mind that if this is the case, then at the very beginning of creation, God breaks one of his own commandments, which is:

Thou shalt not bear false witness.

Does the earth bear false witness to the creation, and did God make it that way?

Is your God one of deceit, or one of honesty and integrity, who is incapable of lies, dissimulation and equivocation. You cannot have it both ways.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this God capable of, and actually practising in Genesis 1, deceit?

No

Is the world we hear described being created, created with dinosaur bones etc built in?

No.

Is God practising deception, even before the fall of Man?

No.

Does the earth bear false witness to the creation, and did God make it that way?

This is a good question --- I like it.

No, the earth does not bear false witness to the Creation; and no, God did not make it that way.

The earth does not point to the Creation Event at all --- for that, you need the Bible.

 

[juvenissun]

Sure. Just a few questions off the top of my head.

1. Why did God allow his perfect Creation to be compromised and thrown off course?
2. Why did God put Satan in the Garden of Eden?
3. Why did God put the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden if He didn't want Adam to eat of its fruit?
4. Why did God put the Tree of Life in the Garden if He didn't want Adam to eat of its fruit?
5. Why did God have to make all the animals and have Adam name them if He knew before hand that He needed to cut out a rib from Adam and make Eve from it to find him a "help meet?"
6. If Adam couldn't die before The Fall, why did he need to eat?
7. If animals couldn't die before The Fall, why did they need to eat?
8. Why did God create such a large universe for Adam to live in?
9. Why did God need to flood the whole planet, just to kill off some humans?
10. Why is it taking so long for God to get around to fixing his perfect Creation after letting Adam throw it all out of wack?

Do you expect AV to write a book for your questions? I won't ask so many questions if I really want to have any useful answer back.

But, just let you know that ALL these questions have been discussed extensively in the Origin Theology forum. If fact, if you are able to ask a "new" question, you would really be a good theologian.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are quite right. There is no mention whatever of rock in Genesis 1.

You left a word out ---

What rocks? Show me these rocks in Genesis 1.

--- that's why Thaumaturgy was smart enough not to answer me --- he knew what I was talking about. If you, on the other hand, would like to answer his point that there are "mountains of data" disputing Genesis 1, feel free to show me one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Find it for yourself. Or tell me I am making it up.

You're making it up --- now prove me wrong.

 

[juvenissun]

Is this God capable of, and actually practising in Genesis 1, deceit? Is the world we hear described being created, created with dinosaur bones etc built in? Is God practising deception, even before the fall of Man?

Yes or no.

If a question is long (like yours), then a Y/N answer would be partial. So, to compromise, I set a conditional answer:

Deceit? Deception? NO.

You did not ask for any explanation. So, I will not do that here.

 

[AV1611VET]

If a question is long (like yours), then a Y/N answer would be partial. So, to compromise, I set a conditional answer:

Deceit? Deception? NO.

You did not ask for any explanation. So, I will not do that here.

I have a feeling she's just here to mock; but that's okay, she's going to get an education.

 

[juvenissun]

You are quite right. There is no mention whatever of rock in Genesis 1.

Formless and empty Earth, dry land called 'land' which produces vegetation, but no rock.

Does this mean that there is no rock on earth, because Genesis does not say it was created? Is rock just a theory created by people who want to discredit the Scriptures?

Alternatively, can we assume the creation of rock, even though it is not mentioned, because we have evidence all around us that rock was created, since it exists?

I await your answer with interest.

What if:

The earth did not have rock before, then some rocks appeared, then more rock appeared, then all earth became rocky?

How would you use one word of static meaning to express a dynamic process?

 

[juvenissun]

I got a question. Why would we see a supernova in the sky that is millions of light years away when the universe is only 6,000 to 12,000 years old? Given the constant speed of light, either the universe is much older than this, or God created the universe recently with light already travelling towards earth depicting exploding stars that never actually exploded. Can you help with this?

You are asking TWO questions: 1. Does God create? 2. How does He create?

If we could not answer question 2, does that necessary negate the question 1? I don't think so.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

You are asking TWO questions: 1. Does God create? 2. How does He create?

If we could not answer question 2, does that necessary negate the question 1? I don't think so.

What a sad example for an answer Juv’y.

The answer is the universe is at least ~13 billion years old.

Simple straight forward, explains what is observed in the universe and needs no magical mystical religious bull excrement.

 

[Catherineanne]

You're making it up --- now prove me wrong.

You are mistaken.

And I have no need for your approval, so therefore need prove nothing to you.

 

[Catherineanne]

I have a feeling she's just here to mock; but that's okay, she's going to get an education.

If I were here to mock my posts would look like this:



As my posts have not been like this, you can be assured you are once again mistaken. I am here to refute opinions which I believe to be unBiblical.

 

[Catherineanne]

What if:

The earth did not have rock before, then some rocks appeared, then more rock appeared, then all earth became rocky?

How would you use one word of static meaning to express a dynamic process?

It is irrelevant what I would do. I did not write Genesis 1. Neither do I base my theology on it.

 

[Catherineanne]

You left a word out ------ that's why Thaumaturgy was smart enough not to answer me --- he knew what I was talking about. If you, on the other hand, would like to answer his point that there are "mountains of data" disputing Genesis 1, feel free to show me one.

I am not disputing Genesis 1. I am disputing your interpretation of it.

Whole other thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am here to refute opinions which I believe to be unBiblical.

And just by coincidence, you picked my opinions, right?

Well, you won't see the day you refute this 'ol boy's opinions --- especially on the Creation --- which is my forte.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am not disputing Genesis 1. I am disputing your interpretation of it.

You are???

 

[Cabal]

And just by coincidence, you picked my opinions, right?

Well, you won't see the day you refute this 'ol boy's opinions --- especially on the Creation --- which is my forte.

Just to remind you AV, this is your creation topic

I mean, how dare we query your opinions here, of all places

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I have a question: why did God not include so much as a hint in the Bible that he "embedded" age into this universe, if the specifics of creation are that important?

 

[AV1611VET]

I mean, how dare we query your opinions here, of all places

Well, English Atheists are kinda strange. They gave us the Bible in the first place, then wonder why we use It so effectively.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have a question: why did God not include so much as a hint in the Bible that he "embedded" age into this universe, if the issue of creation is as important as you think?

He didn't have to --- as I have pointed out before, the only one's who cry "deception" are the ones who don't interpret Genesis 1 literally. In addition, doesn't the fact that Adam was created as a walking-talking fully-mature human show you that he was created with age?