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Not exactly, Catherineanne; God could have embedde age into His creation, so that it came into existence "old". For instance, in the next 10 seconds, God can create a brand-new, state-of-the-art tank that literally falls apart with age when you touch it.And here I am afraid your whole thesis collapses.
A firmament is nothing more than a containment field, and there are three of them mention in the Scriptures:This is what 'firmament' means. And indeed this is how the Bible describes the earth.
Then take one more step for clarity --- since the four corners of the orange are embedded inside the orange's peel, simply balloon them outward until they touch the surface of the orange, and there you have it.Revelation does not say anything about an orange. Nor does it say the angels came from inside the earth, but from its four corners.
No, they aren't; obviously those passages are not talking about the earth's velocity or rotation speed, since the earth indeed "flys" through space. Notice this passage, which seems to contradict itself, but really doesnt ---What about the question of the earth being immovable? Several places in the Bible make this statement. Are they wrong?
How can one be "steadfast and unmoveable" and "always abounding" at the same time?1 Corinthians 15:58 said:Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
Not exactly, Catherineanne; God could have embedde age into His creation, so that it came into existence "old". For instance, in the next 10 seconds, God can create a brand-new, state-of-the-art tank that literally falls apart with age when you touch it.
...How can one be "steadfast and unmoveable" and "always abounding" at the same time?
Then take one more step for clarity --- since the four corners of the orange are embedded inside the orange's peel, simply balloon them outward until they touch the surface of the orange, and there you have it.
No, they aren't; obviously those passages are not talking about the earth's velocity or rotation speed, since the earth indeed "flys" through space. Notice this passage, which seems to contradict itself, but really doesnt ---How can one be "steadfast and unmoveable" and "always abounding" at the same time?
Yup ---Embedded age?
Age is something that we can't live without (now there's an original statement!). God simply embedded whatever amount of age into whatever object He created for a purpose. What that purpose is, I don't know. Why Zirconium has to be 4.57 billion years old is beyond me.OK, assuming for a moment that this is possible, we then turn to motive.
Why would he?
Given that we have a God who can do anything, and who can create a 5,000 year old universe running from scratch in 6 days, why would he then choose to include what amount to deceptions in that universe?
I don't either.I don't believe "unmoveable" (ametakinetos) in this passage refers to physical motion. Paul was not telling his readers to sit down for a long time.
Why does Genesis 1 contradict Genesis 2?
No.None of this is what Revelation says, is it?
It is an object lesson, designed to get you to understand how a three-dimensional object can have four corners, and even where those corners would be located.In other words, this is not Biblical, but additional interpretation of what the Bible actually says.
Genesis is pretty self-explanatory, but I can understand why this passage in Revelation would be hard to grasp to someone who applies two-dimensional (Plane?) geometry to a three-dimensional (Euclidian?) sphere.It says nothing about peeling the orange. It says the angels are at the four corners of the earth. Why do we need additional interpretation here, but not in Genesis?
Yes --- if it can't be explained literally, go with figuratively.Obviously because what the Bible says is not literally true, then it must mean something else?
Science --- specifically angular momentum.And upon what are you basing your belief that the earth flies through space?
I disagree.The Bible certainly does not say so, and there are several verses of Scripture which are in direct contradiction of this assertion.
I've covered this with sound hermeneutics --- I hope.I Chronicles 16:30: The world is firmly established. It cannot be moved.
Psalm 93:1: The world is firmly established. It cannot be moved.
Psalm 96:10: The world is firmly established. It cannot be moved.
Psalm 104:5: He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
Put that away ---QED.
Genesis 2 is not a repeat of Genesis 1 --- it is Adam's testimony of how he got married --- Verse 9 is simply parenthetical.Why does Genesis 1 contradict Genesis 2?
Well then, since a literal Gen1 makes no sense, I guess you agree that it should be interpreted figuratively then... right?Yes --- if it can't be explained literally, go with figuratively.
I thought that "Science Can Take A Hike?" The Bible says nothing about earth flying around through space... it is blasphemy! If science disagrees with scripture, it must be destroyed!!!Science --- specifically angular momentum.
Let's see this "sound hermeneutics." Yes, you had better "hope," AVET, otherwise you would have to admit you are wrong about scripture...I've covered this with sound hermeneutics --- I hope.
Post 111I'd like to hear AV's response to post #105.
God gave us Genesis 1 so we wouldn't be deceived - (by evolution or any other philosophy).
But what isn't beyond me is Genesis 1 --- and I find it hard to believe that God would deceive us by documenting what He did, when He did it, why He did it, where He did it, how He did it, and even who the eyewitnesses were.
Genesis 2 is not a repeat of Genesis 1 --- it is Adam's testimony of how he got married --- Verse 9 is simply parenthetical.
Let me reiterate:Where does the Bible say this?
I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.
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