Taking Questions on the Creation

[AV1611VET]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.

 

[consol]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.

There are NO questions, you said it yourself Goddidit, there is nothing more to know, end of story,
it's over, let's go home, Elvis has left the building.

 

[Split Rock]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.

Sure. Just a few questions off the top of my head.

1. Why did God allow his perfect Creation to be compromised and thrown off course?
2. Why did God put Satan in the Garden of Eden?
3. Why did God put the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden if He didn't want Adam to eat of its fruit?
4. Why did God put the Tree of Life in the Garden if He didn't want Adam to eat of its fruit?
5. Why did God have to make all the animals and have Adam name them if He knew before hand that He needed to cut out a rib from Adam and make Eve from it to find him a "help meet?"
6. If Adam couldn't die before The Fall, why did he need to eat?
7. If animals couldn't die before The Fall, why did they need to eat?
8. Why did God create such a large universe for Adam to live in?
9. Why did God need to flood the whole planet, just to kill off some humans?
10. Why is it taking so long for God to get around to fixing his perfect Creation after letting Adam throw it all out of wack?

 

[Logic_Fault]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.

Fine, I'll play.

Question: Where is your evidence of any such event?

NB: I do not want a picture of a Bible, Bible verses or the Bible to even be referred to no matter how generally. I do not want a link to one of your inane challenges. I do not want to be linked to some creationist propaganda site that is nothing more than a thinly disguised PRATT list. I do want empirical, scientifically valid, objective evidence in favor of your claim.

 

[corvus_corax]

I do want empirical, scientifically valid, objective evidence in favor of your claim.

Why ask for such evidence from someone who has already admitted that no such evidence exists?
Isn't that like asking for empirical, scientifically valid, objective evidence for God from someone who admits that no such evidence exists?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.

Great. Just one question: Why did God create the Tree of Knowledge?

 

[MoonLancer]

If creationism is a theory just like evolution, in what way is it falsifiable and or how do you test for creationism. What creationism research is currently under way? What parts of creationism can be applied to real life?

In your own words, what does the theory of creation state?

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure. Just a few questions off the top of my head.

1. Why did God allow his perfect Creation to be compromised and thrown off course?
2. Why did God put Satan in the Garden of Eden?
3. Why did God put the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden if He didn't want Adam to eat of its fruit?
4. Why did God put the Tree of Life in the Garden if He didn't want Adam to eat of its fruit?
5. Why did God have to make all the animals and have Adam name them if He knew before hand that He needed to cut out a rib from Adam and make Eve from it to find him a "help meet?"
6. If Adam couldn't die before The Fall, why did he need to eat?
7. If animals couldn't die before The Fall, why did they need to eat?
8. Why did God create such a large universe for Adam to live in?
9. Why did God need to flood the whole planet, just to kill off some humans?
10. Why is it taking so long for God to get around to fixing his perfect Creation after letting Adam throw it all out of wack?

1. Does not apply to Genesis 1.

2. Does not apply to Genesis 1.

3. God put Lucifer in the Garden to perform some kind of task. He was the "anointed cherub that covereth," and wore some type of elaborate outfit made of very precious gems. Coupling that with what his name means - (bearer of light; or bright star), and it's possible that his job was to tend to the Tree of Knowledge and to show (light?) the way for the other angels to this tree.

4. That tree bore fruit, not for Adam and Eve, but for the angels.

5. I don't understand this question. God parading the animals past Adam, who gave them their specific names, generated in Adam the realization that he was alone.

6. A couple of theories come to mind here: a) God knew they were going to fall, so He "prepped" them by having them get used to this "needless activity." b) God created them to live in both states (glorified and fallen), knowing they were going to eventually lose their glorified state. In other words --- Plan B requires eating to stay alive, Plan A didn't. So when God told Adam, "to you it shall be for meat" in Genesis 1:29, that statement carried a hint of prophecy in it.

7. Ditto.

8. The universe sustains a whole race of angels as well. Add to it the fact that the stars are their homes, and you can see that a large universe would be appropriate.

9. Does not apply to Genesis One.

10. Does not apply to Genesis One.

Keep in mind that the above answers are only my conjectures. I don't really know the answers, and I'm just taking educated guesses. If anyone can show a better answer, I'll gladly acquiesce.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fine, I'll play.

Question: Where is your evidence of any such event?

NB: I do not want a picture of a Bible, Bible verses or the Bible to even be referred to no matter how generally. I do not want a link to one of your inane challenges. I do not want to be linked to some creationist propaganda site that is nothing more than a thinly disguised PRATT list. I do want empirical, scientifically valid, objective evidence in favor of your claim.

No evidence exists for this event. (What does NB stand for?)

 

[AV1611VET]

Great. Just one question: Why did God create the Tree of Knowledge?

It was food for the angels.

 

[AV1611VET]

If creationism is a theory just like evolution, in what way is it falsifiable and or how do you test for creationism.

Creationism is both non-falsifiable and non-testable.

What creationism research is currently under way?

None that I know of.

What parts of creationism can be applied to real life?

None --- creationism only deals with how the universe appeared. It was a one-time event, and this event has no equal, cannot be repeated or tested, and the amount of power needed to perform this event cannot be harnessed.

In your own words, what does the theory of creation state?

The theory of creation states that God spoke this universe into existence over a period of six days.

 

[Skaloop]

I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation, and try to answer them to the best of my ability. Keep in mind that the answers will be my opinion, and not necessarily the opinions expressed by the Christian community (Body of Christ) in general.

Why does the creation account differ from real-world observations? For example, the ordering of what is created on each day does not fit with what we actually observe about the order in which things developed.

 

[Logic_Fault]

Why ask for such evidence from someone who has already admitted that no such evidence exists?

Just to make him state it again. Maybe he'll have an epiphany one day if he has to say it enough.

Actually, I asked for it because if I didn't explicitly state that he'd post his little Bible picture.

Isn't that like asking for empirical, scientifically valid, objective evidence for God from someone who admits that no such evidence exists?

Yep. I do that too for the same reason. Maybe one day such a person will wonder why there's no evidence of it and come to the conclusion that believing it may not be the most enlightened position to hold.

 

[Logic_Fault]

No evidence exists for this event.

Then why believe it?

(What does NB stand for?)

It's a Latin abbreviation. It stands for Nota Bene or "note well". Basically it means it's important so pay attention.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why does the creation account differ from real-world observations? For example, the ordering of what is created on each day does not fit with what we actually observe about the order in which things developed.

Frumious Bandersnatch, who is far more knowledgeable than I, once gave me (at my request) the order of Genesis One according to today's science, and it indeed differs from Genesis One - (thank you, FB).

I believe God purposely "jumbled" the order of His creation, knowing that some time in the future a subset of the human race would come up with their own order --- thus making His order stand out more.

Or, as I like to put it: Genesis 1 pwns evolution, and Genesis 1:1 pwns atheism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, I asked for it because if I didn't explicitly state that he'd post his little Bible picture.

I can assure you that had you not done that, I would have indeed posted a picture of the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why believe it?

Because it's true.

It's a Latin abbreviation. It stands for Nota Bene or "note well". Basically it means it's important so pay attention.

Okay --- thanks.

 

[Open]

HI AV,

I cut, pasted and edited slightly for this post another post from a Christian forums member that I cannot now find to give the credit. – (I like to keep note of some of the more interesting posts).
I think he put the difficulties with Genesis 1 very well.
Perhaps you would comment on the following observations which appear to make sense to me. (Apologies for the plagiarism, but then all ideas are ultimately plagiarized).

We're told in Genesis 1:2 that the Earth was created and "God moved upon the face of the waters". (Note the mention of the water). In Genesis 1:9, the first dry land appears. So from this we see the claim is that the Earth was covered in water. But no planet can capture or retain liquid water without an atmosphere. And Genesis claims the Earth didn't have an atmosphere until 1:6. How is this so?

In Genesis 1:6 where the atmosphere is claimed to have formed, it is to "separate the waters from the waters". This is because it was the belief of ancient men that there was a vast reservoir of water above the sky. But we've traveled beyond the sky, understand the hydrological cycle, and realize that there isn't now, nor has there ever been, a reservoir of water above the sky. And while most Christians are taught to read this as water vapor within the atmosphere, that's not at all what the Bible claims nor is it what is depicted in ancient Hebrew etchings which were drawn based upon the original Hebrew text of Genesis. Those drawings show exactly what the Bible claims -- a reservoir above the sky. Can you explain?

Look at Genesis 1:11 where it is claimed that the Earth is bringing forth plants. Without analysis this sounds okay. But when we get to Genesis 1:14-15, we find the creation of the sun, moon and stars. That leaves plants growing without the sun in Genesis 1:11. Without the sun, the Earth would be approximately the temperature of space, (-454°F). At that temperature there would be no liquid water so the claim of Gensis 1:9 is impossible and in such a cryogenic environment, no plant is going to be able to grow so the claim in Genesis 1:11 is also false. We all know that plants can't grow without light and light on Earth comes from the sun. How is this possible?

Now look again to Genesis 1:14-16. Where does it say the sun, moon and stars reside? It very clearly states "in the firmament". And the firmament is widely agreed among Christian sites to mean the atmosphere. And indeed, if one has no concept of the solar system, if one has no knowledge of the relative size of the moon, Earth and sun, it certainly looks, from our perspective, as though these bodies are within the dome we call the "sky". So again we have evidence that the claims of Genesis came only from the ancient men who lacked any real knowledge of the configuration of the solar system. Can you explain?

Genesis very clearly lays out a chronology. It very clearly defines a "day" not once, but twice, within the first page, (the last sentence of 1:5 and the last sentence of 1:8). But since we know these claims to be demonstrably false, people must either reject the Bible because it is wrong, or find ways to avoid reading what it actually says. Most Christians have adopted the latter. Would you agree?

Ultimately AV, I expect that you will say that God suspended the laws of physics as we know them (if indeed they applied at the time), or that God did it in this way this for reasons known only best to himself, or indeed because he is God he can do anything anyway. But I would like to think you could elaborate mote that that……

Genesis 1 does not seem to make sense……

 

[Open]

AV,
Was to busy writing to see post 15.

This seems to suggest that God deliberately 'horsed around' in such a way as to make those who honestly seek the truth regarding the origin of the universe unable to reconsile the evience this with his word.
This is truely a cruel thing to do, would you not agree....
As for making his order stand out more... Come on.... it just leads a thinking man to reject a literal intrepation of Genises as folly. Surely you would agree with that???

 

[Skaloop]

Frumious Bandersnatch, who is far more knowledgeable than I, once gave me (at my request) the order of Genesis One according to today's science, and it indeed differs from Genesis One - (thank you, FB).

I think I saw that (or at least something similar).

I believe God purposely "jumbled" the order of His creation, knowing that some time in the future a subset of the human race would come up with their own order --- thus making His order stand out more.

But the only reason this subset came up with a different order is because he jumbled things up. If he hadn't jumbled things up, this subset would believe the order given in Genesis.

I had planned an intricate "baking a cake people won't like because I think people won't like it" analogy, but it was getting tedious. So nevermind.

Basically, he had no reason to jumble things up; jumbling things up is what brought about the subset.

Is there any mention of this jumbling in the Bible? I mean, you are fond of mentioning that god left a memo describing what he did; why does it not mention something of mixing up the heavens and the earth to hide the details of his creation?

Or, as I like to put it: Genesis 1 pwns evolution, and Genesis 1:1 pwns atheism.

Heard that one before, too.