Taking Questions on Genesis

[doubtingmerle]

Gap theory explains this (sorry AV, couldn't resist).

We will see what AV says, since it is his thread, but if he switches to this one, after having previously stating the other 2, I will remind him that the story following Gen 1:2 has no resemblance to anything that happened after the first 4.5 billion years of earth history. Also this gives death before Gen 3 , which I know AV will not accept.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who should I ask? It seems that I may get different answers from different people.

YHWH always. He's the Author not just of Scripture, but of All Life on earth and in heaven and under the earth, and the giver of faith (a gift), eternal life (a gift), peace (a gift), joy (a gift) and righteousness (a gift).

If you continue to ask people who don't know Him, you will continue to get a lot of different answers. Is that what you want ?
(actually, even if you ask only people who know Him, you may get different answers also, as we are ALIVE!, and not robots. Just don't accept any answer that is contrary to God's Word, for then you are being deceived).

Please tell me you see how hilarious this is as an answer to the question "how do you tell which parts are metaphorical?"

Apparently you can't tell the difference. This is a kind of paradox, or maybe a dilemma for you.
See, if you don't believe God tells the truth, then you won't believe Him.
If you don't believe Him, then you are Judged by His Word Already (don't have to wait until later), because of unbelief,

as you read several times already .....

I've read it many times. To me it seems entirely allegorical, therefore it is all a metaphor.

As long as you believe that, no one can change your mind,
not even God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Gap theory explains this (sorry AV, couldn't resist).

I used to gap spark plugs to get a motor to run, or to run better.
No theory there.

 

[doubtingmerle]

YHWH always. He's the Author not just of Scripture, but of All Life on earth and in heaven and under the earth, and the giver of faith (a gift), eternal life (a gift), peace (a gift), joy (a gift) and righteousness (a gift).

If you continue to ask people who don't know Him, you will continue to get a lot of different answers. Is that what you want ?
(actually, even if you ask only people who know Him, you may get different answers also, as we are ALIVE!, and not robots. Just don't accept any answer that is contrary to God's Word, for then you are being deceived).


Apparently you can't tell the difference. This is a kind of paradox, or maybe a dilemma for you.
See, if you don't believe God tells the truth, then you won't believe Him.
If you don't believe Him, then you are Judged by His Word Already (don't have to wait until later), because of unbelief,

as you read several times already .....


As long as you believe that, no one can change your mind,
not even God.

Ok, I asked YWHY and he seems to tell me that Genesis was made up by archaic shepherds who got a lot wrong. Is he telling you the same thing? If not, who is really hearing the truth, and how do you know?

 

[doubtingmerle]

I used to gap spark plugs to get a motor to run, or to run better.

You must be in the right place.

Some posts here sound like something is not firing on all cylinders.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have another question. In light of Genesis, when were all the rock layers formed that we see in the grand canyon? I had thought you were saying they were created in Genesis 1, but in a recent thread you seemed to be switching to flood geology. If they were made in Gen 1, how is it that they are filled with fossils? If made during a global flood, how is it that the layers include things like wind blown sand and animal tracks that could not be made in a flood?

Sorry, Merle.

I don't know.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Sorry, Merle.

I don't know.

Ah, so you no longer say that the rocks were created with age in 4004 BC, for that would mean a God who deceptively made all these fake fossils in the rocks.

And you don't know that they were made by natural events after creation, for then natural laws apply, and we can legitimately raise objections.

So it seems you have no answer to this question.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, so you no longer say that the rocks were created with age in 4004 BC,

No, I don't plan to stop saying that.

... for that would mean a God who deceptively made all these fake fossils in the rocks.

Except He didn't.

And you don't know that they were made by natural events after creation, for then natural laws apply, and we can legitimately raise objections.

If they were made by natural events, then they were made after 4004 BC.

So it seems you have no answer to this question.

Suffice it to say God had something to do with it; but not deceptively, of course.

 

[doubtingmerle]

No, I don't plan to stop saying that.

Except He didn't.

If they were made by natural events, then they were made after 4004 BC.

Suffice it to say God had something to do with it; but not deceptively, of course.

Wait, now you are back to saying the rock layers of the grand canyon were created in 4004 BC. I remind you that those rocks are full of fossils. How could God create all these rock layers with fossils in 4004 BC before he made animals? If God made the rocks with fossils in them before he created animals, then those are not really the remains of animals. Did your God put fake fossils down there?

 

[AV1611VET]

I remind you that those rocks are full of fossils.

If the Flood pureed these rocks into a fine powder, then it doesn't surprise me that you can find fossils in any rock layer.

In fact, if you found a fossil in a diamond, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Anyone can find a fossil in the sand.

But find one in a diamond, and I'll probably say the Flood did it.

 

[46AND2]

If the Flood pureed these rocks into a fine powder, then it doesn't surprise me that you can find fossils in any rock layer.

In fact, if you found a fossil in a diamond, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Anyone can find a fossil in the sand.

But find one in a diamond, and I'll probably say the Flood did it.

Purees rocks, leaves bones whole. Got it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I used to gap spark plugs to get a motor to run, or to run better.
No theory there.

The evidence for Gap theory is stronger than the evidence for evolution theory, by science's own admission.

 

[46AND2]

The evidence for Gap theory is stronger than the evidence for evolution theory, by science's own admission.

This is a source I gotta see....?

 

[AV1611VET]

Purees rocks, leaves bones whole. Got it.

Notice how this verse is worded:

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

It says they "were broken up."

It doesn't say they "broke up."

Someone did it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This is a source I gotta see....?

I'm the source (logic).

Gap theory says that the earth is very old. Science has confirmed this as absolute fact.

Evolution theory isn't as solid as the age of the earth is, by any scientific measure.

The evidence for Gap theory is absolute. Not so with evolution. Ask any scientist if the ToE is as certain as the age of the earth, remembering that the ToE depends on an ancient earth. An ancient earth doesn't depend on the ToE.

 

[46AND2]

I'm the source (logic).

Gap theory says that the earth is very old. Science has confirmed this as absolute fact.

Evolution theory isn't as solid as the age of the earth is, by any scientific measure.

The evidence for Gap theory is absolute. Not so with evolution. Ask any scientist if the ToE is as certain as the age of the earth, remembering that the ToE depends on an ancient earth. An ancient earth doesn't depend on the ToE.

Well that was anticlimactic.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well that was anticlimactic.

A simple question needs not but a simple answer.

Were you expecting my reply to send a 'thrill' up your leg?

 

[46AND2]

A simple question needs not but a simple answer.

Were you expecting my reply to send a 'thrill' up your leg?

No, I was hoping you were going to show me how scientists supported your assertion...not your interpretation of some aspects of science. No worries, though.

 

[46AND2]

A simple question needs not but a simple answer.

Were you expecting my reply to send a 'thrill' up your leg?

BTW, the scientific evidence for the old age of the earth is robust (but not absolute). However, it says nothing about the Gap interpretation of the Bible.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

BTW, the scientific evidence for the old age of the earth is robust (but not absolute). However, it says nothing about the Gap interpretation of the Bible.

I isolated the age of the earth from the spiritual aspects of Gap theory. The 'gap' in Gap theory is the time lapse between the original creation and the renewal of Genesis 1. Science has posed a number, and I'm good with that (once you get to billions of years your head spins).