Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

Here here! Citation in such regard is Romans 1:20: "For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

Yes, indeed!

 

[BCP1928]

Serious question:

If God exists, and you stand before Him on Judgement Day, what would you attribute your lack of belief to?

Would you blame Him, or yourself?

I would say, "Lord, it seemed like once I admitted to your existence I would be required to believe that the Earth was created 6000 years ago and I would have to be a supporter of Donald Trump, and I just couldn't bring myself to do it."

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Serious question:

If God exists, and you stand before Him on Judgement Day, what would you attribute your lack of belief to?

Would you blame Him, or yourself?

I think you're leaving out at least one personage among many who are also to blame for contributing to any one person's "lack of belief."

So, the only thing we can nudge Kylie to be accountable for here and now is her willingness to learn rather than castigating her (or shaming her) for her present state of belief about Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

[AveChristusRex]

I think you're leaving out at least one personage among many who are also to blame for contributing to any one person's "lack of belief."

So, the only thing we can nudge Kylie to be accountable for here and now is her willingness to learn rather than castigating her (or shaming her) for her present state of belief about Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Noone, necessarily, can be blamed for ignorance (except by God), but one can be blamed for obstinance in ignorance.

 

[AveChristusRex]

400th message!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Noone, necessarily, can be blamed for ignorance (except by God), but one can be blamed for obstinance in ignorance.

Right. That's what I said, and I said what I said after taking Epistemology, World History, History of Religions, and the findings of the Modern Sciences into account.

In other words: some people today actually DO have a personal and valid explanation as to "why" they don't see what Paul asserts everyone on earth should see. Moreover, I don't think Paul intended for his statements in Romans 1:18-20 to be used as a cudgel with which to whack other people over the head who are having difficulty believing.

And no one who is Christian should think those verses can simply be quoted all by themselves and that that speech act somehow irreducibly and absolutely ends all further discussion and disabuses any person of the justification of his/her perceptual stance.

But yes, people can be faulted for any unjustified anti-intellectual obstinacy and insolence.

 

[AveChristusRex]

In other words: some people today actually DO have a personal and valid explanation as to "why" they don't see what Paul asserts everyone on earth should see. Moreover, I don't think Paul intended for his statements in Romans 1:18-20 to be used as a cudgel with which to whack other people over the head who are having difficulty believing.

Much of the reasoning I think is emotional and based much less on the spirit and more on the people they have experienced. Everyone has a path to the faith, but we should recognize that all truth is God's truth, and to follow the truth is to eventually lead to God, and [excuse me for being opinionated] following God is to eventually lead to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church with many of our great saints like St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John of the Cross, St. Gregory Palamas, St. Theresa of Avila, and others awaiting you at the end of the path!

 

[AV1611VET]

So, the only thing we can nudge Kylie to be accountable for here and now is her willingness to learn ...

No comment.

 

[AV1611VET]

400th message!

Congrats! That's a milestone!

 

[AveChristusRex]

Congrats! That's a milestone!

You're a blessing from God, AV!

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words: some people today actually DO have a personal and valid explanation as to "why" they don't see what Paul asserts everyone on earth should see.

Those are mental blocks.

And although I don't expect an unregenerate person to understand what Paul is saying in regards to the things of deep theology, I fault them for not taking first things first.

To wit, getting saved.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're a blessing from God, AV!

Thank you, my friend!

 

[Hans Blaster]

This is a statement, and "insults are arguements employed by those who are wrong" (Rousseau)

The geocentric model (what I think you are claiming when you dismiss Copernicus) is FALSE. Disagreeing with that is to reject reality. Running to agreement with the court jester isn't backing your position.

 

[AV1611VET]

The geocentric model (what I think you are claiming when you dismiss Copernicus) is FALSE.

Wasn't it arrived at scientifically?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Those are mental blocks.

That comment doesn't have any explanatory power and tells us basically nothing about aspects of human psychology or epistemic structures in that affect a person's neurological structures and their response to .......... the Holy Spirit.

And although I don't expect an unregenerate person to understand what Paul is saying in regards to the things of deep theology, I fault them for not taking first things first.

To wit, getting saved.

I think you're getting the cart before the horse there, AV. Remember the Parable of the Sower, or the account of the Garden of Eden for that matter?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Much of the reasoning I think is emotional and based much less on the spirit and more on the people they have experienced. Everyone has a path to the faith, but we should recognize that all truth is God's truth, and to follow the truth is to eventually lead to God, and [excuse me for being opinionated] following God is to eventually lead to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church with many of our great saints like St. Thomas Aquinas, St. John of the Cross, St. Gregory Palamas, St. Theresa of Avila, and others awaiting you at the end of the path!

Excuse me if I don't completely agree with you on "the Plan of Faith." But carry on.

 

[AveChristusRex]

The geocentric model (what I think you are claiming when you dismiss Copernicus) is FALSE. Disagreeing with that is to reject reality. Running to agreement with the court jester isn't backing your position.

Why do you think the geocentric model is false? Are you aware of what 'Geocentrism' is? The geo-axial binary or modified tychonian systems?

I have a few forum posts on this topic, please read them before defaming the position you are not understanding of:

+ Proof there is No Physical Difference Between Geocentric and Modern Heliocentric Views, and Science chooses Heliocentrism out of Spite of Creationists": This is the question I have!

+ Proof of the Consensus of the Fathers & that Hubble Lied to Defame Creationism: This is the question I have!

+ The Church Fathers on Geocentrism: Geocentric or Heliocentric (what shape is the earth) ?

I have more than that, but id start with that, please open your mind to new ideas, especially ideas that may or may not vindicate creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

That comment doesn't have any explanatory power and tells us basically nothing about aspects of human psychology or epistemic structures in that affect a person's neurological structures and their response to .......... the Holy Spirit.

You've never had a mental block during a chess game?

I have.

I think you're getting the cart before the horse there, AV.

Not hardly.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You've never had a mental block during a chess game?

I have.

Having faith in Christ isn't an "enclosed game." So, that's one difference you and I have in our epistemic approach to how we read and understand the Bible.

Not that this implies you and I have nothing in common between our respective views on the nature of faith, but we come at what Christianity "is" and how it works with different praxes and paradigms.

I'm just surprised that you even loosely associate 'belief' with making plays in a chess game. I think that's a bad analogy.

Not hardly.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And, in your Independent Baptist understanding, how does one "spiritually discern" the things of the Spirit of God, AV?

Is it something we each "do" as a person, or is it a process of understanding that has to be illuminated for us by God Himself (through His Spirit)?

I'm just asking because I'm wondering how much and to what extent you and I would have to hash out a discussion about the meaning and application of the first three chapters of 1 Corinthians.

 

[AV1611VET]

Having faith in Christ isn't an "enclosed game." So, that's one difference you and I have in our epistemic approach to how we read and understand the Bible.

I am referring to those who are unregenerate.

They are susceptible to mental blocks and exhibit a high level of misunderstanding of spiritual matters.

Especially in the area of deep theology.