Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Kylie]

We've already been over why.

I must have missed that. Care to provide a link?

 

[QvQ]

Even if I tried it today, I wouldn't come close, as not only do I have no interest in receiving communication from any deity, I have no reasons to think they exist. If the weak in faith can't move mountains, those with zero faith should not expect anything.

Yes, I can understand that. My parent were atheist
Being raised in the church, they prayed at meals, bedtimes, in church
It was meaningless then and meaningless to them later in life
That is what they said, same as what you said

I just followed the instructions in the Bible
I was surprised at the answer
But to each his own

 

[AV1611VET]

I must have missed that. Care to provide a link?

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[River Jordan]

Then we need soime method which we can use to determine if a part of the Bible is literal or if it is metaphorical.

I could draw the conclusion that the claim made in the Bible about the ability for believers to move mountains by praying was wrong, since the prayer did not move the mountain.

Well, since the Bible states very clearly what the outcome will be, we can certainly draw conclusions about the claim in the Bible if the stated outcome does not happen.

But the entire point was about scientifically testing the supernatural, namely God.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, I can understand that. My parent were atheist
Being raised in the church, they prayed at meals, bedtimes, in church
It was meaningless then and meaningless to them later in life
That is what they said, same as what you said

I just followed the instructions in the Bible
I was surprised at the answer
But to each his own

I didn't say it was meaningless then, just that I had no expectation of a response or (as you put it) a dialog.

 

[truthpls]

Science has done countless tests.

None on the supernatural

You don't seem to understand how science works.

Ditto

Ah, so how much faith is equivalent to a mustard seed.

Look at it this way maybe, say believers are not the salt of the earth. So let's say if we have faith, that it is at a salt grain level. Some folks still are way down in the molecule level. Others might be a pretty big grain of salt. Alas none that we know about have reached the seed level yet. We're getting there

What units is faith measured in anyway?

Faith units?

Again, how does physical size and amount of faith relate?

If we say our love is as tall as a mountain that usually means we have a lot of love. So it seems the comparison relates to size. We don't need much faith to do amazing things. However most people hardly have any faith, just a little bit, way less than seed level generally.

Wishful thinking on your part.

Or perhaps you've had access to a time machine?

Scripture does tell us the past and future. I have heard it said that in the coming life, we will be able to go back and visit any point in history to see what actually happened as an invisible observer. Who knows? I don't see why not.

Sure, whatever you say.

I could, if I came to Jesus?

How does that work? You just said that no one today has that much faith.

No one I know of. I wonder how much faith Moses and Elijah had when the visited Jesus on the mount of transfiguration? On earth they both already had great faith to do astounding miracles like part the sea and stop the rain. Imagine how much their faith grew in the 1000 years or whatever it was since they had died and went to heaven!

So you hardly have any faith at all, is that what you are saying?

No. I am saying that it seems that the general level of faith for many believers is not yet up the the seed level. But hey, if Moses parted the sea, and brought water from a rock, and brought the plagues of Egypt down etc and other people in history also did great things, maybe some folks were already pretty close to seed level!

Anyway, why would Jesus tell the people they could do it if they couldn't possibly have that much faith?

We not only could, but will one day. So partly it is something encouraging to look forward to

Isn't that like saying, "You can lift up a mountain with a single finger. If you are strong enough. Which you aren't."

Nothing like that.

That works for anything. People can run faster than sound. If they can run fast enough. Which they can't.

We will move faster than light speed one day. Philip in the bible was teleported instantly across a huge lake. That is faster than light already!

Claims of this sort are meaningless, so I have to wonder why Jesus bothered to even say it in the first place.

Now you know

 

[truthpls]

No one was raised from the dead in the Bible either.

Yes. In the old testament and several times in the new. All you have is a claim they were not

The bible prophesies are history now for the most part, and it's accuracy tested over millennia. Hundreds of witnesses saw Jesus risen from the dead. Nothing like some empty claim you make

 

[AveChristusRex]

And when Christianity tells me that I have a gift that I don't even get until I'm dead, what am I meant to think?

Huh? What gift are you talking about?

 

[BCP1928]

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That is, if you believe in the literal inerrancy of Genesis. Otherwise Jesus will not be there for you no matter how much faith you have in Him.
At least, that is the Gospel being preached in this forum.

 

[AV1611VET]

Huh? What gift are you talking about?

Eternal life.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[BCP1928]

Eternal life.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

That certainly explains why the literal inerrancy of Genesis is so important to some of the posters here.

 

[AV1611VET]

That certainly explains why the literal inerrancy of Genesis is so important to some of the posters here.

Ever heard of the protoevangelium?

From GotQuestions:

The protoevangelium shows us that God always had the plan of salvation in mind, and informed us of His plan as soon as sin entered the world.

 

[BCP1928]

Ever heard of the protoevangelium?

From GotQuestions:

The protoevangelium shows us that God always had the plan of salvation in mind, and informed us of His plan as soon as sin entered the world.

You mean Gen 3:15? That only works if you don't take it literally. Otherwise all you've got is Eve stomping on a snake.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That certainly explains why the literal inerrancy of Genesis is so important to some of the posters here.

Right. And some people have an allergic reaction to the likes of Peter Enns or Kenton L. Sparks; some are even so rigid that they still break out in hives if the name of William Lane Craig is mentioned when and where "human origins and sin" are seen as the main event.

 

[AveChristusRex]

Eternal life.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Oh gotcha.

 

[BCP1928]

Right. And some people have an allergic reaction to the likes of Peter Enns or Kenton L. Sparks; some are even so rigid that they still break out in hives if the name of William Lane Craig is mentioned when and where "human origins and sin" are seen as the main event.

Of course 'human origins and sin' are the main event whether Genesis is literal or not, and still all I see is political infighting amongst Protestants.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Of course 'human origins and sin' are the main event whether Genesis is literal or not, and still all I see is political infighting amongst Protestants.

Although I try my best to guard against the Genetic Fallacy where informal logic is concerned, where Protestantism is under historical scrutiny, I'm tempted to say, "Well....................consider the source." Sometimes, citing a source is at least partially valid.

 

[BCP1928]

Although I try my best to guard against the Genetic Fallacy where informal logic is concerned, where Protestantism is under historical scrutiny, I'm tempted to say, "Well....................consider the source." Sometimes, citing a source is at least partially valid.

I'm not sure I understand you, but is there really anything at stake here besides Dispensationalism?

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean Gen 3:15? That only works if you don't take it literally. Otherwise all you've got is Eve stomping on a snake.

LOL

Are you serious?

Satan bruised His heel at the Cross ...

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet,

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm not sure I understand you, but is there really anything at stake here besides Dispensationalism?

Yes, there is always more at stake than Dispensationalism, even if and when it's deemed otherwise by an Independent Baptist.

Don't tell AV I said that......................................................