Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Kylie]

I'm just going to ignore you, which is seriously unfortunate. It seems everyone else understood what I meant, but I will pray for you, God bless!

I don't see any posts that would have given you the idea that everyone else understood you. But that's okay. You came in here for a discussion, but were more concerned with the style of the discussion rather than actually discussing things, and when you were faced with actually discussing things, you found it hard, and now it seems you've found an easy way out.

 

[Kylie]

That is all science covers. So what else aside from science are you talking about?

Once again you repeat this, despite being told that it is not true. You have no desire to actually learn, do you?

Science can only do the natural. Therefore no creation explaining result is possible

Again, not true, as I have explained to you countless times.

Science only covers the natural. No other letters.

Once again you repeat this, despite being told it is not true.

Like you tried it? How much does Casper weigh?

Are you deliberately missing my point? Given how many time you have repeated incorrect things after I have told you they are not true, it sure seems like it.

If a claim is made that can be put to the test, then science can study it.

The supernatural makes claims that can be tested. I literally gave you an example of such a claim.

Therefore, science can study the supernatural.

Of course, you've going to continue claiming that science can't, won't you? Even though I've told you it's not true and I've told you WHY it's not true. But you just don't seem to care.

 

[truthpls]

Once again you repeat this, despite being told that it is not true. You have no desire to actually learn, do you?

Again, not true, as I have explained to you countless times.

Once again you repeat this, despite being told it is not true.

Are you deliberately missing my point? Given how many time you have repeated incorrect things after I have told you they are not true, it sure seems like it.

If a claim is made that can be put to the test, then science can study it.

The supernatural makes claims that can be tested. I literally gave you an example of such a claim.

Therefore, science can study the supernatural.

Of course, you've going to continue claiming that science can't, won't you? Even though I've told you it's not true and I've told you WHY it's not true. But you just don't seem to care.

Science only covers the natural. You need to accept that much.

 

[Kylie]

Science only covers the natural. You need to accept that much.

I keep telling you that it doesn't. I have shown you that science works on whatever is testable, whether it's natural or supernatural. Why do you insist on repeating something that I have told you is not true?

 

[truthpls]

I keep telling you that it doesn't. I have shown you that science works on whatever is testable, whether it's natural or supernatural. Why do you insist on repeating something that I have told you is not true?

Give one example of the supernatural that science covers. Not sure why you deny the obvious.

 

[BCP1928]

Give one example of the supernatural that science covers. Not sure why you deny the obvious.

Give one example of the supernatural leaving testable evidence.

 

[truthpls]

Give one example of the supernatural leaving testable evidence.

Testable by who? The hundreds of people that saw and talked to Jesus after He rose from the dead had evidence. Do you think that because silly little old naturalonly science cannot deal with it, that it vanishes in reality?

 

[AV1611VET]

Testable by who? The hundreds of people that saw and talked to Jesus after He rose from the dead had evidence. Do you think that because silly little old naturalonly science cannot deal with it, that it vanishes in reality?

Indeed!

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 

[Kylie]

Give one example of the supernatural that science covers. Not sure why you deny the obvious.

The Biblical claim that praying can literally move mountains.

The claim can be very easily tested:

Step 1: Find someone with even the smallest amount of faith.
Step 2: Get them to pray for Mt Everest to move to a different location.
Step 3: see if Mt Everest has moved to a different location.

If you can't see how this is a testable claim, then I don't know how to make it any clearer for you.

And you seem to have a short memory. I literally told you this exact same thing not that long ago. In post 1668, specifically.

I hope I will not need to remind you of this again.

 

[Kylie]

Testable by who? The hundreds of people that saw and talked to Jesus after He rose from the dead had evidence. Do you think that because silly little old naturalonly science cannot deal with it, that it vanishes in reality?

And that evidence would be testable by science!

Thank you for proving my point for me: the supernatural CAN be tested by science!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

And that evidence would be testable by science!

Thank you for proving my point for me: the supernatural CAN be tested by science!

Do all secular scientists agree with you on this point, Kylie?

 

[AV1611VET]

The claim can be very easily tested:

Step 1: Find someone with even the smallest amount of faith.
Step 2: Get them to pray for Mt Everest to move to a different location.
Step 3: see if Mt Everest has moved to a different location.

Step ø: Send letters of warning to all those on and around Mt Everest (climbers, the Sherpas, base camp staff, logistics companies, tourists, et alii) to stand clear of the mountain beforehand, and pray they understand and comply.

(Would you?)

If anyone would happen to die in this "very easy test," send a letter to their next of kin and tell them they gave their lives so that academia could test a claim made by Jesus in the Bible, and that they were forewarned.

Or better yet, thank God that He refused to cater to such a thoughtless academic attempt to verify His word; and in so doing, saved many lives in the process.

 

[Juvenal]

Step ø: Send letters of warning to all those on and around Mt Everest (climbers, the Sherpas, base camp staff, logistics companies, tourists, et alii) to stand clear of the mountain beforehand, and pray they understand and comply.

(Would you?)

If anyone would happen to die in this "very easy test," send a letter to their next of kin and tell them they gave their lives so that academia could test a claim made by Jesus in the Bible, and that they were forewarned.

Or better yet, thank God that He refused to cater to such a thoughtless academic attempt to verify His word; and in so doing, saved many lives in the process.

A God powerful enough to move Mt Everest doesn't have to be too clumsy to move the people on it without killing them.

 

[AV1611VET]

A God powerful enough to move Mt Everest doesn't have to be too clumsy to move the people on it without killing them.

Be careful what you ask for.

You just might get it.

 

[Juvenal]

Be careful what you ask for.

You just might get it.

I don't believe in the Monkey Paw God. And neither should you.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't believe in the Monkey Paw God. And neither should you.

Do you believe that God would fail Kylie's academic test?

 

[truthpls]

The Biblical claim that praying can literally move mountains.

The claim can be very easily tested:

Step 1: Find someone with even the smallest amount of faith.
Step 2: Get them to pray for Mt Everest to move to a different location.
Step 3: see if Mt Everest has moved to a different location.

If you can't see how this is a testable claim, then I don't know how to make it any clearer for you.

And you seem to have a short memory. I literally told you this exact same thing not that long ago. In post 1668, specifically.

I hope I will not need to remind you of this again.

The 'can' depends on first meeting a condition. Jesus put it in perspective. 'According to your faith be it done unto you' There are degrees of faith. One person might have little faith and feel they need to just eat herbs rather than meat for example. Having a promise about what we could be and will be one day is inspiring. It is not some natural only test though. Nothing remotely similar.

 

[truthpls]

And that evidence would be testable by science!

Thank you for proving my point for me: the supernatural CAN be tested by science!

Try to understand that science only sees and deals with the natural. They could see the physical event that was caused by God, but would not see His hand behind it. They might see a man that was healed of cancer, but would not give God the glory for the healing. They would dig in their little bag of natural only possible causes, and grab something there.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do all secular scientists agree with you on this point, Kylie?

"All" seems a bit exclusive, just need to find one "counter" and the answer must be "no". That won't be me. If some one make a supernatural claim that impacts the physical world it could be tested ("I can move Mt. Everest with telekinesis", "we can cure cancer with prayer", or "this spell turn teenage boys in to toads"). Other supernatural claims that don't impact the physical world ("your soul will go to hell") can not.

(And science is a secular pursuit, so "secular scientist" is redundant and implies there are other kinds of science.)

 

[AV1611VET]

If some one make a supernatural claim that impacts the physical world it could be tested ...

And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that claim have to be tested more than once; and yield the same results each time?