Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What makes you say imbedded age [sic] says the earth is young?

If age is embedded, how then is it young?

There is no young earth to defend.

The earth came into existence as old as God willed it to be.

You say that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, do you not?

 

[BCP1928]

The Earth can be as old as science says it is--or not--but regardless, it must have been created 6000 years ago. Otherwise, the Bible is a lie.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The Earth can be as old as science says it is--or not--but regardless, it must have been created 6000 years ago. Otherwise, the Bible is a lie.

Or rather a literal interpretation of the Bible is a lie. And even then, it would only be the Old Testament, not the New Testament.

 

[AV1611VET]

But.........and I've heard this said before and elsewhere by smarter men and women than myself........."the Bible doesn't actually SAY that."

Are you saying that, just because the Bible doesn't say that, it didn't happen?

God is silent on the age of the earth when it was created.

Ditto for Adam's age, ditto for Eve's age, ditto for anything He created during the creation week.

So just how smart do "smarter men" have to be, when even my grand nephew knows this?

 

[AV1611VET]

You say that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, do you not?

Affirmative.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Earth can be as old as science says it is--or not--but regardless, it must have been created 6000 years ago. Otherwise, the Bible is a lie.

Correctamundo!

 

[AV1611VET]

Or rather a literal interpretation of the Bible is a lie.

How is It a lie, when It doesn't say how old God created it?

 

[BCP1928]

Correctamundo!

The point being that those who don't agree with it are not particularly interested in the distinctions between the various methods those who do agree with it have constructed to resolve the situation.

 

[BCP1928]

How is It a lie, when It doesn't say how old God created it?

The Bible doesn't even really say when it was created. That's something that you have to figure out, based on assumptions many Christians find to be dubious.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible doesn't even really say when it was created.

Actually, It does.

It says, "In the beginning ..."

That's something that you have to figure out, based on assumptions many Christians find to be dubious.

Then let those Christian who find it to be dubious figure it out.

People are good at telling us what didn't happen; but a little short on telling us what did happen.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Are you saying that, just because the Bible doesn't say that, it didn't happen?

God is silent on the age of the earth when it was created.

Ditto for Adam's age, ditto for Eve's age, ditto for anything He created during the creation week.

So just how smart do "smarter men" have to be, when even my grand nephew knows this?

No, I'm implying that the claim about how you go with "the Bible says it, that settles it" is something that even you don't abide by as a hermeneutical principle at all times.

Of course, from my perspective, I expect folks to use their noggings that God gave them APART from the Bible. So, kudos to you for trying.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I'm implying that the claim about how you go with "the Bible says it, that settles it" is something that even you don't abide by as a hermeneutical principle at all times.

I disagree.

Of course, from my perspective, I expect folks to use their noggings that God gave them APART from the Bible.

Like here?

4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x

Or here?

5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I disagree.



Like here?

4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x

Or here?

5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

But the Bible (i.e.~MOSES) doesn't actually say that the Lord created the world with an apparent age built into it.

Yet, here you are asserting this very thing.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I disagree.



Like here?

4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x

Or here?

5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

OH, and one more thing: You tend to shame those of us who don't agree with your non-biblical speculation, do you not?

 

[AV1611VET]

But the Bible (i.e.~MOSES) doesn't actually say that the Lord created the world with an apparent age built into it.

Yet, here you are asserting this very thing.

Show me where I assert that.

Do you know the difference between "apparent age" and "embedded age"?

 

[AV1611VET]

OH, and one more thing: You tend to shame those of us who don't agree with your non-biblical speculation, do you not?

Which brings more shame?

I "shaming" those who don't agree with me?

Or those who don't agree with me "shaming" me by saying I came from Magilla Gorilla?

 

[River Jordan]

He did say that He created Adam as an adult

No, Genesis 1 says God created mankind.

trees mature enough to have seeds in them

It doesn't say that either. It just says God commanded the earth to produce vegetation and then it describes the types (seed bearing, fruit trees).

and, at least by implication) stars with their light already reaching earth.

No, it doesn't say that either.

Those things could be seen as giving the appearance of age, particularly the stars, which, if we went by the time their light would take to reach the earth, would provide an age of up to millions or even billions of years, but because God has told us, it is not deceptive. We are also not told that God "embedded" age into His creation in order to fool mankind.

My view is that it's a mistake to try and read Genesis, which clearly has poetic elements, as if it were an abstract from a science journal.

 

[River Jordan]

But from the outside looking in, the distinction between "apparent age" and "imbedded age" seems insignificant, merely two different ways of trying to defend a young Earth without having to deny outright the well-established science which tell us it is much, much older. It is deception either way, because either way the actual evidence "deceives" science.

It's effectively an admission that the universe and earth really do look billions of years old. If they didn't, there wouldn't be a need to invent the idea of embedded age in the first place.

 

[River Jordan]

The Earth can be as old as science says it is--or not--but regardless, it must have been created 6000 years ago. Otherwise, the Bible is a lie.

No, absolutely not! The truth of scripture is not one bit dependent on the earth being created 6,000 years ago (a number that doesn't appear in the Bible at all).

 

[AV1611VET]

No, Genesis 1 says God created mankind.

And let me guess, in Genesis 2, He took all their ribs and made womankind?