• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,652
52,517
Guam
✟5,130,085.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
Not really.

You don't believe it anyway, so I'd just be wasting my breath -- (in a manner of speaking).

No, I don't believe it. Because I see no reason to believe.

You claim to have verses that support your reason to believe in.

I would like to try and convince me that your believe is worth following.

For a guy who goes on and on about missions, you'd make a poor missionary.
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,855,652
52,517
Guam
✟5,130,085.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
Lol this is kinda funny that you rebuked me for hitting the nail on the head. That’s a bit hypocritical don’t ya think?

Not at all.

And this brings us right back to not actually believing what is written. So your evidence for poetic and proverbial writings is that you don’t believe it? How is that evidence of anything other than you not believing it?

So the idea that all of humanity, which is nearly 8 billion people, started all from just two people isn't poetic? The story of Cain and Abel, the story that the two of the worst of human sins: murder and treachery, isn't poetic? The idea that God found the world so sinful, wiped it all out, then allowed a single family to start it all over again isn't poetic? The Tower of Babel isn't poetic?

I have a feeling that you'll respond with no.

Like I always say, truth is not subjective to personal or popular opinion.

But you don't have anything true though. You have a claim.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,845
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,112.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
So the idea that all of humanity, which is nearly 8 billion people, started all from just two people isn't poetic?
I actually did the math already because so many people were concerned about who Cain married from the city of Nod and if Adam & Eve had one child per year and 50% of them were male and the other 50% female and their children began having children of their own at one per year at the age of 15, by the time Adam was 130 years old they would’ve had over 10,000 descendants. I think it was around 10,600, can’t remember the actual number.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: AV1611VET
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
I actually did the math already because so many people were concerned about who Cain married from the city of Nod and if Adam & Eve had one child per year and 50% of them were male and the other 50% female and their children began having children of their own at one per year at the age of 15, by the time Adam was 130 years old they would’ve had over 10,000 descendants. I think it was around 10,600, can’t remember the actual number.

And what about the inbreeding that would have definitely resulted from the necessary incestuous copulation from brother and sister? Did you factor that in as well?
Plus, to get to 8 billion in the span of 6000 years, did you also factor that in too?
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,845
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,112.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
So the idea that all of humanity, which is nearly 8 billion people, started all from just two people isn't poetic? The story of Cain and Abel, the story that the two of the worst of human sins: murder and treachery, isn't poetic? The idea that God found the world so sinful, wiped it all out, then allowed a single family to start it all over again isn't poetic? The Tower of Babel isn't poetic?
I think when you say “poetic” what you really mean is unbelievable. I think that’s the word you’re actually looking for.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: AV1611VET
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
I think when you say “poetic” what you really mean is unbelievable. I think that’s the word you’re actually looking for.

The poetic and the unbelievable very often go hand in hand. Care to actually try and address what I stated?
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,845
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,112.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
And what about the inbreeding that would have definitely resulted from the necessary incestuous copulation from brother and sister? Did you factor that in as well?
Plus, to get to 8 billion in the span of 6000 years, did you also factor that in too?
Look everything you’re saying all falls into the same category, you don’t believe any of it and that’s why you say it’s “poetic”. There are indications in proverbial and poetic literature and the passages you’re referring to don’t have those characteristics.
 
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
Look everything you’re saying all falls into the same category, you don’t believe any of it and that’s why you say it’s “poetic”. There are indications in proverbial and poetic literature and the passages you’re referring to don’t have those characteristics.

Even though they very much do have the hallmarks of proverbial and poetic literature, and there is not a shred of any evidence to back any of them up as having existed as the all encompassing events they're made out to be.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,845
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,112.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
The poetic and the unbelievable very often go hand in hand. Care to actually try and address what I stated?
What do you want me to address? No I haven’t done the math for a population over a 6,000 year span because it would be impossible to know how long everyone lived or how many children they had. It’s an impossible equation which is why I’m sure you haven’t done it either. If they could go from 2 to over 10,000 in 130 years I see no problem in hitting 8 billion in 6,000 years.
 
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
What do you want me to address? No I haven’t done the math for a population over a 6,000 year span because it would be impossible to know how long everyone lived or how many children they had. It’s an impossible equation which is why I’m sure you haven’t done it either.

For the first part: any of them, all of them. Take your pick. This thread is already bad as it is. AV might as well close it or let it go to waste.

And with the second part, you hit the nail on the head. It is an impossible equation. Let alone the fact that we should, as a species, clearly have genetic markers for massive amounts of inbreeding that the Bible unfortunately says to have happened, which we don't, we would also have genetic bottlenecks from the Noahic Flood and before that Adam and Eve to show that our population came from such tiny numbers. But the evidence does not show that.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,845
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,112.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Even though they very much do have the hallmarks of proverbial and poetic literature, and there is not a shred of any evidence to back any of them up as having existed as the all encompassing events they're made out to be.
I get it, you don’t believe the Bible which is why you say there is no evidence. You don’t think the Bible is evidence, I think the Bible is proof. That the difference between our positions. My position is biblical and your’s is not. That’s what it boils down to.
 
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
I get it, you don’t believe the Bible which is why you say there is no evidence. You don’t think the Bible is evidence, I think the Bible is proof. That the difference between our positions. My position is biblical and your’s is not. That’s what it boils down to.

I do believe in the Bible. I believe in the messages it puts across, the stories and lessons it tells and how they reflect human nature both in the past and the present and very likely the future. I believe in the hope and joy it can bring.

I do not accept that I have to follow a strict, 100% literal reading of the Bible as 100% infallible and 100% perfect and accurate is needed to believe in God. And I've never been given a good, genuine reason why I should other than "But you must!" from a weird section of American Christians.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
25,845
8,376
Dallas
✟1,087,112.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
For the first part: any of them, all of them. Take your pick. This thread is already bad as it is. AV might as well close it or let it go to waste.

And with the second part, you hit the nail on the head. It is an impossible equation. Let alone the fact that we should, as a species, clearly have genetic markers for massive amounts of inbreeding that the Bible unfortunately says to have happened, which we don't, we would also have genetic bottlenecks from the Noahic Flood and before that Adam and Eve to show that our population came from such tiny numbers. But the evidence does not show that.
Lol this is hilarious because in order to know what the genetic code should look like if our population came from a larger pool you’d have to have a population that came from a larger pool to compare with, but you don’t so you can’t actually say what the genetic code should look like for a scenario that we CAN’T test.
 
Upvote 0

Warden_of_the_Storm

Well-Known Member
Oct 16, 2015
15,038
7,403
31
Wales
✟424,767.00
Country
United Kingdom
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
Lol this is hilarious because in order to know what the genetic code should look like if our population came from a larger pool you’d have to have a population that came from a larger pool to compare with, but you don’t so you can’t actually say what the genetic code should look like for a scenario that we CAN’T test.

Except that we can test it. The study of human genetics and DNA has been a massive undertaking. It was called the Human Genome Project.
 
Upvote 0