Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Kylie]

Allegorizing Genesis 1 just makes things worse.

Now ... allegorists have to explain how grass and trees existed for an eon of time without the sun.

And how the earth came before the sun.

And how whales existed before land animals.

Just to name a few.

Why does treating the creation account (either of them) as an allegory require these things?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Allegorizing Genesis 1 just makes things worse.

Now ... allegorists have to explain how grass and trees existed for an eon of time without the sun.

And how the earth came before the sun.

And how whales existed before land animals.

Just to name a few.

No, that's a problem for the literalist, not the allegorist. Hence why you had to create embedded age as a work around.

 

[truthpls]

You seem to be utterly incapable of understanding what I say.

I have told you so many times I've lost count that science deals with what can be repeated and verified.

It deals with the natural and verifies the natural and repeats the natural, there can be no denial. Creation was not natural. Time to admit it

If the supernatural can be repeated and verified, then science will use it.

That is about like saying if we send seven men to the space station, they will deal only with the things of the inner earth. No. The natural is natural and the supernatural is something else. You do not get to exclude, deny, and be absolutely ignorant of the supernatural and pretend you do or could study it.

The creation of God was not natural, do you get that much?

Man's models of where we came from are ALL only natural. Natural does not equal supernatural. You have been using the wrong tools for the job.

 

[truthpls]

Why does treating the creation account (either of them) as an allegory require these things?

There is only one account.

 

[truthpls]

Well if anyone allegorizes Genesis 1, academia can (and should) tear them apart.

Yes, it should tear them apart, but it is unable. Academia does not accept truth/Scripture. So it is on the side of those who allegorize Genesis. They are in bed together. So I guess we should see academia as an ignorant partner in crime.

 

[BCP1928]

There is only one account.

An unwarranted assumption. Why do you think you need to make it?

 

[River Jordan]

You have been using the wrong tools for the job.

If you think that's the case, then go out and do better. Show everyone how using the right tools gets better results.

All you've done up to this point is talk trash while refusing to get in the game.

 

[AV1611VET]

It;s not an allegory, it's creation framed in parallel to the six day work week with a sabbath, which was already traditional practice when the account was written.

I take it you don't think Adam wrote the first two chapters of the Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, that's a problem for the literalist, not the allegorist. Hence why you had to create embedded age as a work around.

Then use science to explain how the earth came before the sun, or whales before land animals.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it should tear them apart, but it is unable. Academia does not accept truth/Scripture. So it is on the side of those who allegorize Genesis. They are in bed together. So I guess we should see academia as an ignorant partner in crime.

Good point!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The use science to explain how the earth came before the sun, or whales before land animals.

... seriously?

 

[AV1611VET]

... seriously?

Sorry ... a typo.

That first word in my post should be "then," not "they."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sorry ... a typo.

That first word in my post should be "then," not "they."

My response still stands, though I say it out of incredulity and shock that you think that's a question even worth asking.

 

[truthpls]

An unwarranted assumption. Why do you think you need to make it?

Because Gen 2 is a rehash of what was already done, giving extra details - not a different account

 

[truthpls]

If you think that's the case, then go out and do better.

The thing to 'go out' from is natural only. Then you will do a far far far far greater job of understanding where we and the world actually came from, One needs to climb out of the neck deep mud that is the natural only dunnit slough of despond.

Show everyone how using the right tools gets better results.

Using the word of the creator get the results of knowing we are created and when and how, and nothing else does. It doesn't get any better than that in this life.

Now I wonder about some of these Christians here that post and what they think of the next life and heaven? You see heaven is just as supernatural as creation!

All you've done up to this point is talk trash while refusing to get in the game.

The game of loving and respecting and honouring and using only the natural is not a game any truth lover would want to get into. The name of the game is getting OUT of that and then being finally able to come to a knowledge of the truth about where the universe and man came from.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Allegorizing Genesis 1 just makes things worse.

Now ... allegorists have to explain how grass and trees existed for an eon of time without the sun.

And how the earth came before the sun.

And how whales existed before land animals.

Just to name a few.

It's not a mere allegory but rather a distinct polemic using the mythic notions of the time in which is was written to correct the cosmogonic themes that the writer (~Moses?) knew the Mesopotamian and/or Canaanite peoples adhered to and were stuck in.

NOTE: Yes, 'cosmogony' is an actual word, used in tandem with cosmology, especially in relation to historical descriptions of the worldviews and mythoi of ancient peoples.

 

[River Jordan]

The thing to 'go out' from is natural only. Then you will do a far far far far greater job of understanding where we and the world actually came from, One needs to climb out of the neck deep mud that is the natural only dunnit slough of despond.

Using the word of the creator get the results of knowing we are created and when and how, and nothing else does. It doesn't get any better than that in this life.

Now I wonder about some of these Christians here that post and what they think of the next life and heaven? You see heaven is just as supernatural as creation!

The game of loving and respecting and honouring and using only the natural is not a game any truth lover would want to get into. The name of the game is getting OUT of that and then being finally able to come to a knowledge of the truth about where the universe and man came from.

You talk a lot about how terrible current science is and how inaccurate its results are, then you say there's a better way.

Okay, then let's see it. Outline this superior method and then do the work to show how it produces better results. What are you waiting for?

 

[truthpls]

You talk a lot about how terrible current science is and how inaccurate its results are, then you say there's a better way.

The better way is to accept the word of the creator about what He did, rather than pretending naturedunnit and constructing elaborate what if scenarios about how.

Okay, then let's see it. Outline this superior method and then do the work to show how it produces better results. What are you waiting for?

Sorry you missed it last post. Godunnit and told us how. Using the naturalonlydunnit to manufacture alternate scenarios is just old fashioned doubt and deception that tries to make people fear and question God. Just as the serpent did to Eve. Nothing new here. Same source.

 

[River Jordan]

The better way is to accept the word of the creator about what He did, rather than pretending naturedunnit and constructing elaborate what if scenarios about how.

Then show it! Anyone can say anything online, right?

Sorry you missed it last post. Godunnit and told us how. Using the naturalonlydunnit to manufacture alternate scenarios is just old fashioned doubt and deception that tries to make people fear and question God. Just as the serpent did to Eve. Nothing new here. Same source.

You're just dodging. You say you have a better way? Show it.

Otherwise, you're just that little kid on the sidelines, talking smack about how much better your game is than everyone else's, but never getting in the game.

IOW, so far you're just all talk.

 

[BCP1928]

I take it you don't think Adam wrote the first two chapters of the Bible?

No, I don't.