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Are you referring to a specific formation? If so, which one?
In before someone says Mount Saint Helen's eruption....
hahaha,, unbelievers may be buried in the lava before they're convinced, if ever.....Mount St. Hel...
It never said He created them by wind. But since you believe in wind wonder power, how about a wind drying up the planet after the flood? That one the bible does say.Easy.
Amos 4 says God creates mountains and wind. We see mountains and winds forming by natural means right now. So if you believe scripture and your own eyes, God creates mountains and winds by natural means.
What natural means is available to create a universe from nothing with a word one day?Because it's not an either-or situation. God can use natural means to create as well as supernatural means.
Creating them with the stuff inside is not manipulating them. The ratios had no meaning of age then.No, there's nothing in scripture about God putting or manipulating element ratios in rocks. You're just making that up, which is turning out to be a theme.
Yes of course they are saying that the daughter ratios came from the parent material in the rock. So the composition of what is in the rock, they claim comes from natural means. Then they have some fantasy natural means that does a big bang eventually creating the earth and rocks as well. Natural all the way is what they are all about.Not only are you still just making up your own scenarios, you're getting confused (no one is saying radioactive decay "makes the rock").
Look again, was there any biblical basis? But since you rally behind a naturalonlydunnitall it is you that made things up. No one knows there was only the natural at work.Again, another scenario you just made up off the top of your head. This is getting silly.
Creation is in it. Your old ages are not.You've created a rather unique interpretation of scripture that includes assuming things not in it,
It may seem that way to a newbieadding things to it, and just plain making things up in a completely ad hoc manner (IOW you just make things up in the moment, as needed, off the top of your head).
He created and then also made nature that results in processes. The processes are as they seem, but when it seems in your head that those natural processes are all there is, then you end up in la la land.From that, you've created a rather bizarre reality where a lot of what we think we see isn't really as it seems, specifically because God tinkered with various processes, events, etc., for reasons you can't explain.
Scripture is not any personal anything. It is not that believers are picking on you abrasively. Some of us simply don't countenance folly so well, especially for repeat offenders.Then you chastise, often in very abrasive ways, anyone and anything that doesn't agree or align with this unique, and personal version of reality.
Discussion is meant to portray different sides of an issue. I do not have to 'persuade' people.I humbly suggest that if you want to persuade people over to your views, you give them a reason to do so.
Creation, wherever mentioned is a lot more than physical. Maybe ban the use of the word here. Replace it with something more like 'in our little made up fantasies' or 'according to the model we manufactured by using only the natural and disallowing any supernatural' or 'the universe that we think came from a little hot speck that we used only the natural to model' or etc.Since we''re in a Physical and Life Sciences sub-forum, posting some evidence that you believe supports your version of reality would be a good start.
If you claim it involves more than the natural, provide this for us in detail? Until then if it talks about creation using only the natural it does not know what it is talking about.Since you don't understand what you are talking about when it comes to science, you are in no position to claim they are untrue.
It was delightful to watch The Creator do in a few weeks and months what "professional" "educated" claimed (falsely) could not happen in less than ten thousand years.
Ugh...I didn't say it did.It never said He created them by wind.
I wouldn't presume to know.What natural means is available to create a universe from nothing with a word one day?
Yes it is when it comes to different ratios of different parent/daughter elements.Creating them with the stuff inside is not manipulating them.
I'm still not interested in your made up scenarios or your belittling of everyone who doesn't go along with them.The ratios had no meaning of age then.
Yes of course they are saying that the daughter ratios came from the parent material in the rock. So the composition of what is in the rock, they claim comes from natural means. Then they have some fantasy natural means that does a big bang eventually creating the earth and rocks as well. Natural all the way is what they are all about.
Look again, was there any biblical basis? But since you rally behind a naturalonlydunnitall it is you that made things up. No one knows there was only the natural at work.
Creation is in it. Your old ages are not.
It may seem that way to a newbie
He created and then also made nature that results in processes. The processes are as they seem, but when it seems in your head that those natural processes are all there is, then you end up in la la land.
Scripture is not any personal anything. It is not that believers are picking on you abrasively. Some of us simply don't countenance folly so well, especially for repeat offenders.
It shows.Discussion is meant to portray different sides of an issue. I do not have to 'persuade' people.
"According to Christian theology, God created the universe and everything in it from nothing (Latin: ex nihilo). This doctrine asserts that the universe did not exist prior to its creation by God, and that God did not use pre-existing matter or energy to bring it into being."
I still don't see your point. The processes and events which science describes do not begin until mass/energy (the substance of all things) is created.'Conclusion
The Bible is clear that God commanded even the very substance of all created things into existence from nothing. Those who revered the Bible in ancient times understood and repeatedly articulated this."
Seemed that wayUgh...I didn't say it did.
It did not say God created mountains naturally or the wind. There are four angels in charge of the winds you know. Is that natural weather control? If mountains and land resulted in God separating the water and land, that happened the day after He first spoke it into existence. Does speaking it into being and then altering a planet totally the next day seem 'natural' to you?Amos says God creates the mountains and the wind (not with the wind). We see volcanoes create mountains, therefore God creates by natural means.
Well, list for us say, 4 natural things that will create an entire universe one day from a word? There is a reason you do not know, there is no such natural thing, obviouslyI wouldn't presume to know.
There were no daughter or parents. They only became that when natural processes came to exist and that was after creation. You offer the idea that the reason a rock is the way it is, would be because of those processes working which produced the daughter material over great time. No. It was made instantly. Whenever God set up the forces of nature that started to affect those ratios was when some of the materials became parents or daughters. The only deception is thinking that all the material in the created rock was not there, but took untold long ages to get produced laterYes it is when it comes to different ratios of different parent/daughter elements.
Likewise. I have God's word for it, and do not need natural only fantasies mislabelled as knowledge.I'm still not interested in your made up scenarios or your belittling of everyone who doesn't go along with them.
I will let that anemic little attempt at an insult passIt shows.
Whether Moses or shabbat said that God created in six days and rested on the 7th day , the word 'day' really refers to a passage of time or stage, and is not literal. God created the earth and life forms on stages. Each 'day' is not equal in time. I believe it definitely takes more time to create the hundreds of thousands of creatures on land -- from ants to worms, giraffes etc etc -- than to gather the land mass in one place. Though this is not stated in the Scriptures, but the Bible does not cover everything, i.e. It does not mention the 9 or 10 planets revolving around the sun.re-check this. I believe 'day' is 24 hours, and this is confirmed in Scripture. (related to the Instructions of Shabbat).
It says He spoke, and it was so on each day. Do you think God has a speech impediment to where it take billions of years to say several words??Why would God rush to create in 6 days? We mistaken because we read the word 'day' literally, and also because we are mortals. But To Him, time is infinite, so why would the need to rush? Instead, I believe He would enjoy putting them all together over eons of time.
Not so. According to Genesis, God created Adam as an adult, not a newly born baby. Immediately after his creation, Adam would have looked as if he were 20 or 30 years old. Also God created trees with there seeds already in them, so the newly-created trees had the appearance of maturity. There is no hint of deception, for God tells us in the bible that this is what He did.So I've been lurking in this sub-forum for a bit and I ended up joining specifically to comment on this "embedded age" topic. Here's how I see it....
If God created the universe and earth with embedded age, it would require a lot of manipulations on a lot of fronts, for no apparent purpose other than to deceive.
But again, God specifically says in His word that He created sun, moon and stars to give light to the earth, not to wait billions of years before the earth received light from the more distant of them.For example, if God created starlight "already en route" to the earth (or some variation of that), it would mean that God created light that shows cosmic events that didn't actually happen. That light we're looking at that shows a supernova from 8 billion LY away? It was actually just created to look that way and the supernova didn't even occur.
We are not told in the bible about annual rings, but we are told that God created trees with their seed already in them, so they were mature trees. But as God tells us this, how can it be deceptive?Did God create those fruit trees in a mature state, with annual rings already in them? If He did, then isn't that deceptive since those years never actually existed?
The isotopes in rocks, etc are not mentioned in Scripture, but you seem to ignore things that are clearly mentioned, like Adam being created as an adult and trees being created mature, not as tiny seedlings.Then there's the rock God created not only with both parent and daughter isotopes already embedded in them, but in ratios that are consistent with the rock being billions of years old. And it can't just be one type of rock, but all types of rock and all types of parent-daughter isotopes, all converging on overlapping dates, supporting the Law of Superposition, and painting a surprisingly consistent picture of 4 billion years of earth history.
There's also things like lake varves and ice cores. Were they too created with annual layers showing years and seasons that never really existed?
Altogether, that's a lot of deliberate manipulation isn't it? And to what end? What was the point? And wouldn't it make sense to at least mention it in scripture?
It just doesn't make sense.
Only you are saying the speech impediment.It says He spoke, and it was so on each day. Do you think God has a speech impediment to where it take billions of years to say several words??
hahaha,, unbelievers may be buried in the lava before they're convinced, if ever.....
It was delightful to watch The Creator do in a few weeks and months
what "professional" "educated" claimed (falsely) could not happen in less than ten thousand years.
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