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At a guess I would say you simply lack confidence in yourself Brinny.Carry on, my friend, my brother in Christ, and son of the Most High God. May He spark your wisdom and discernment evermoreso, to carry on, in His name, and may His righteous right hand guide you in all you do and say, my friend.
You can't have a man walking on water either, can you?
Man implies weight, weight implies gravity, water implies buoyancy --- get the picture?
I wasn't talking about Jesus, or I would have capitalized 'man'.Jesus isn't so special now is he?
Yes, and there's the major difference.Seriously, you claim that the earth was created 4.5 billion years old 6100 years ago.
That's not the subject of this thread.You claim there is no history older than 6100 years.
Not in Genesis 1, you don't.We have a few hundred million years of fossils, major geologic events, and even asteroid strikes.
No, Embedded Age does not claim none of that happened."Embedded age" claims none of that happened yet the evidence is there.
No --- how do you guys like to put it --- you can't prove a negative?If "embedded age" cannot explain the evidence that seems to contradict it then it is seriously flawed.
It shouldn't even touch the subject.So, AV, how would your "embedded age" hypothesis explain all of the evidence that shows the earth has had a long tumultuous history?
What is this you're showing me?
So is this 250 million year fossil really 250 million years old? Why or why not? Why do you accept the age of the earth but never accept the age of the fossils found in it?
It's maturity without history --- not age without history.
That's not the subject of this thread.
Not in Genesis 1, you don't.
No, Embedded Age does not claim none of that happened.
Major geologic events and asteroid strikes came well after Genesis 1.
No --- how do you guys like to put it --- you can't prove a negative?
Embedded Age left no evidence behind --- none.
It shouldn't even touch the subject.
If my glasses were in that white stuff (chalk, calcium, marble?), would you say I'm 250 million years old?
If that 250-million-year-old stuff was gooey in Genesis 6, or gooey in 1750, or gooey in 1812, then whatever that thing is got stuck in it, are you saying that animal is 250 million years old?
Take a look at this --- how old is Clint Eastwood here?
And what of these, Loudmouth?Then rocks would be the perfect test. The crystals in granite do not need specific ratios of isotopes in order to function as mature crystals. However, granites which have experienced a history of radioactive decay will have specific ratios of isotopes consistent with the time since the crystals formed.
Are any of these going to show passage of time?Revelation 21:19-21 said:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
And what of these, Loudmouth?Are any of these going to show passage of time?
This city will be brand new.
And what of these, Loudmouth?Are any of these going to show passage of time?
Nope --- according to Peter, God is going to relax the Strong Nuclear Force, and every element on the Periodic Table is going to dissolve.God has all of Creation to gather materials from... surely He'll be able to find enough precious stones for such a garish display of superficial wealth.
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of stuff inconsistent with science as we know it in the New Heaven and the New Earth.You tell me. What is the isotope content in the rocks? Real rocks contain an unmistakeable history of cooling and isotope decay. Therefore, these rocks have features inconsistent with maturity without history.
Nope --- according to Peter, God is going to relax the Strong Nuclear Force, and every element on the Periodic Table is going to dissolve.
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of stuff inconsistent with science as we know it in the New Heaven and the New Earth.
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of stuff inconsistent with science as we know it in the New Heaven and the New Earth.
And that's why your Embedded Age Model is worthless. You cannot even back it up and you are the only supporter of it here.Originally Posted by BananaSlug
You claim there is no history older than 6100 years.
That's not the subject of this thread.
According to Peter??? NO. According to AVET.Nope --- according to Peter, God is going to relax the Strong Nuclear Force, and every element on the Periodic Table is going to dissolve.
Nope --- according to Peter, God is going to relax the Strong Nuclear Force, and every element on the Periodic Table is going to dissolve.
That's not the subject of this thread.
Not in Genesis 1, you don't.
No, Embedded Age does not claim none of that happened.
Major geologic events and asteroid strikes came well after Genesis 1.
No --- how do you guys like to put it --- you can't prove a negative?
Embedded Age left no evidence behind --- none.
It shouldn't even touch the subject.
If my glasses were in that white stuff (chalk, calcium, marble?), would you say I'm 250 million years old?
If that 250-million-year-old stuff was gooey in Genesis 6, or gooey in 1750, or gooey in 1812, then whatever that thing is got stuck in it, are you saying that animal is 250 million years old?
Take a look at this --- how old is Clint Eastwood here?
Nope --- according to Peter, God is going to relax the Strong Nuclear Force, and every element on the Periodic Table is going to dissolve.
Well, I guess I may as well consider this thread over and done with, since I can't keep the focus in Genesis 1, so I may as well just start answering all your questions again.I posted this for you again AV, since you seemed to have missed it...
Of course there is.Major flaw with your argument:
And what do you understand about His creation from science, that is included in Embedded Age Creation, that I happen to agree with?20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:20.
But God didn't hide it, did He?You are saying there is no evidence for "embedded age", yet this verse clearly says God's invisible qualities have been clearly seen SINCE THE CREATION. If God hid all of the evidence for creation, then Romans 1:20 is wrong. Which is wrong, Romans 1:20 or your "embedded age" interpretation?
I have a feeling embedded age is the furthest thing from you guys' minds.But it is an important part of your "embedded age" scenario, therefore it is a subject of this thread.
Again, embedded age melds science (specifically the age of the earth) with the Scriptures.I do not ever remember reading about God "embedding age" in Genesis 1 either...
I'd put a quadruple negative in there, if I thought it would help.Did you really have to have a triple negative?
A global flood, taking three chapters in Genesis, and you say it's funny that the Bible doesn't mention major geologic events.Funny, none of that is mentioned in the Bible either....
Yes, a history of more than 6100 years would falsify Embedded Age creation.You forgot that an important part of your little idea is that earth's history is only 6100 years despite it being over 4.5 billion years old. Any evidence for history older than 6100 years nullifies your hypothesis (if you could even consider it a hypothesis). We find loads of historical events in the geologic record.
Yes, a history of more than 6100 years would automatically falsify Embedded Age Creation.It should touch the subject considering a history older than 6100 years automatically falsifies your idea.
They were, huh?The "elements" mentioned by Peter were the classical Greek elements, fire, earth, water, and air.
The Periodic Table of the Elements, as I understand it, is open-ended.The modern Periodic Table was not formed until much later.
I covered that before, but since you guys love to accuse me of inflating my post count, I'll repeat for about the third or fourth time.And remember, according to Paul, you don't have to be a Christian to be saved, you just have to be married to one.
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