Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

CoderHead said:

The universe says He couldn't have. But what does that have to do with you and another fervent Christian disagreeing on a single subject even though you both read the same Bible?

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I am not yet very well versed in quantum mechanics, but wouldn't this be possible (given possible rearrangement of matter according to their respective wave functions), yet unbelievably improbable?!

AV1611VET said:

Does it really matter to you guys?

God says, in writing, He walked on water, and you guys say He didn't.

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Yes it does matter. Both claim inspiration from God. One says evolution didn't happen, one says it did. Both claim God gave them the answer. I'll ask the question again...

If you claim that God told you evolution is false, and another Christian claims God told them evolution is true, which person is right?

faith guardian said:

I am not yet very well versed in quantum mechanics, but wouldn't this be possible (given possible rearrangement of matter according to their respective wave functions), yet unbelievably improbable?!

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Sure! I'll concede that while a lot of things are improbable, there are fewer things that are impossible.

faith guardian said:

I am not yet very well versed in quantum mechanics, but wouldn't this be possible (given possible rearrangement of matter according to their respective wave functions), yet unbelievably improbable?!

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The only thing that walks on water on two legs is a south American lizard; and it sure isn't a messiah!

tanzanos said:

The only thing that walks on water on two legs is a south American lizard; and it sure isn't a messiah!

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They are walking on H2O

AV1611VET said:

Does it really matter to you guys?

God says, in writing, He walked on water, and you guys say He didn't.

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Oh, my -- you're still on about the God wrote the Bible because the Bible says God wrote the Bible?

Do a google search on "Jonathan Pue," and come back to us.

pgp_protector said:

He's walking on H2O

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I think that's a girl. Maybe only females can walk on water.

But water, in that state, would not find a group of men floating about in a storm, yelling for help.

CoderHead said:

I think that's a girl. Maybe only females can walk on water.

But water, in that state, would not find a group of men floating about in a storm, yelling for help.

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Well if the ice is breaking up you could have both

CoderHead said:

I think that's a girl. Maybe only females can walk on water.

But water, in that state, would not find a group of men floating about in a storm, yelling for help.

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Mebbe Jesus was androgynous.

Tinker Grey said:

Mebbe Jesus was androgynous.

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Well, he was fully human, so he would have to embody all facets of feminine humanity as well.

Tinker Grey said:

Mebbe Jesus was androgynous.

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Aren't angels as well? And since God said, "let us create man in our image," and we're both male and female then it stands to reason that He also would be both male and female.

Good catch.

Boy or girl; it doesn't matter because that is one hell of a beautiful photograph!

Now as far as image is concerned; God not only created us unto his image but unto his likeness. This means that he was both man and woman. Now why are there two sexes? The only conclusion would be if he had a wife!

AV1611VET said:

And you guys wonder why GA was shut down?

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My apologies. We certainly derailed this thread but good! Back on track...

AV1611VET said:

God says, in writing, He walked on water, and you guys say He didn't.

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Given this statement, could you please show me where in the Bible God says that He embedded age into His creation?

AV1611VET said:

And you guys wonder why GA was shut down?

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Too many people who thought they had all the answers getting pwned when they found they didn't?

AV1611VET said:

I use Boolean logic to determine it; but if you want a good verse to deny:

2 Peter 3:5 said:

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

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No, stay in Genesis 1. Isn't that what you're always telling us? Where, in Genesis 1, does it say that God embedded age into His creation? I'm sorry I didn't speak more clearly the first time around. I said, "in the Bible" but I meant, "in Genesis 1."

tanzanos said:

The only thing that walks on water on two legs is a south American lizard; and it sure isn't a messiah!

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If you consider quantum mechanics, it becomes possible as I understand it. If you can manipulate the wave function of the water in question, (or the wave function of Jesus) then walking on water should be a piece of cake.
If you consider string theory, it also should be possible. After all, if you somehow manage to manipulate the vibrations of the strings you can change any particle into any other particle.

Of course this requires the ability to manipulate certain things that are very hard to manipulate, but I am not aware of it being impossible to do as I just suggested. Furthermore, if you consider God a being who is above/beyond our current physical frame of reference (the three dimensions of space and one of time) it is very far from impossible that He could manipulate anything within our three dimensions in manners that to us seem miraculous without He Himself being observed directly. I don't know that this would violate any physical laws either. Supposing God can move about at will in higher dimensions it should not be hard for Him to hold Jesus at a position where He would not sink into the water.

Given the speculation some physicists make that gravity is a force which is capable of leaking into other parallel universes another possible solution would be a highly focused beam of gravitons emitted from another universe could simply warp space (as gravity does) to pull Him in another direction than earth's own gravity field does.

Do I consider walking on water to be impossible? No. I don't. It's not something we can do at this point, true. But I don't think it's impossible.
We could conceivably alter the nature of the water. We could alter Jesus' physical properties or warp space around Him.

After all: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
It's not long ago we considered the atomic theory nonsensical. Today we even have quantum mechanics and M-theory. Both quite counter intuitive.
There's much we don't know. Dismissing this seems to me as a somewhat premature conclusion. I don't see it being completely impossible if we factor in a powerful extra/super/multi dimensional being like God into the equation. It could be accomplished without breaking the laws of physics at all. Though from a newtonian single-universe three-dimensional earth-centric viewpoint it certainly would seem utterly impossible.

Well since Christmas is near I thought this would make a nice present for our faithful friends:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmQhYEaCqs4

AV1611VET said:

I use Boolean logic to determine it; but if you want a good verse to deny:If it wasn't for that Boolean logic, I would be a YEC like my pastor.

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Incorrect usage of language again. This verse from Peter does not say anything about the age of the earth, and the mention of the "heavens were of old" does NOT mean "the heavens were created old". Nor does your usage of the term "old" fit your "embedded age" system.