Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation (2)

[Astrophile]

Craters aren't "formed over time."

They appear instantly when something impacts something.

Or when something sinks into the ground.

There are about a million craters on the Moon with d > 1 km, and about 230 craters and impact basins with d > 100 km. These craters were not all formed at the same time, and observations and calculations of collision rates between near-Earth asteroids and the Moon show that, at the present rates, it would take thousands of millions of years to produce the observed number of craters and impact basins. The same argument applies to craters on Mars and Mercury.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are about a million craters on the Moon with d > 1 km, and about 230 craters and impact basins with d > 100 km. These craters were not all formed at the same time, and observations and calculations of collision rates between near-Earth asteroids and the Moon show that, at the present rates, it would take thousands of millions of years to produce the observed number of craters and impact basins. The same argument applies to craters on Mars and Mercury.

Who said the craters appeared all at once?

The moon may have been caught in the middle of a "snowball fight" that lasted thousands of years.

In addition, the moon's surface has been -- and still is -- struck by meteors still roaming the universe, care of this cosmic "snowball fight."

 

[dlamberth]

Who said the craters appeared all at once?

The moon may have been caught in the middle of a "snowball fight" that lasted thousands of years.

In addition, the moon's surface has been -- and still is -- struck by meteors still roaming the universe, care of this cosmic "snowball fight."

Oh...I now remember you suggesting that in the past.

Who was having the snowball fight? If you said, I don't remember.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh...I now remember you suggesting that in the past.

Who was having the snowball fight? If you said, I don't remember.

Fallen angels vs good angels.

Read Daniel 10, where Daniel prays a prayer, and it doesn't get answered for three weeks, because an angel couldn't get through to answer it for him due to resistance from the enemy.

Finally, after three weeks, Michael the Archangel shows up and puts an end to the fighting.

 

[dlamberth]

Fallen angels vs good angels.

Read Daniel 10, where Daniel prays a prayer, and it doesn't get answered for three weeks, because an angel couldn't get through to answer it for him due to resistance from the enemy.

Finally, after three weeks, Michael the Archangel shows up and puts an end to the fig

And the snowballs came from where?

 

[AV1611VET]

And the snowballs came from where?

You know I put those in quotes, right?

By "snowball fight," I wanted you to get the idea that they were flinging chunks of rocks at each other.

Either that, or trying to deface God's pristine creation.

Since I believe God created the moon as smooth as a cue ball, I'd conjecture that evil angels would pelt it with debris they obtained by smashing things to bits and hurling them at the moon.

Remember -- we're dealing with a cosmic battle here on a universal scale by creatures of immense strength and proportions.

 

[Diamond72]

Fallen angels vs good angels.

The fallen angels hiding on the dark side of the moon?
Or are you talking about the good and the bad angel on people's shoulders?
Or maybe flip wilson when he said: "The devil made me do it".

 

[doubtingmerle]

Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

If I told you I was created Last Thursday with my memories embedded and an appearance of a 66 year-old, you would immediately reject that possibility, yes?

But what if I told you I was created Last Thursday with my memories embedded and an appearance of a 66 year-old and an embedded physical age of 66 years? We now have something analogous to what you are saying. How does the part in italics in any way change the claim? It is just making up a parameter out of thin air. If I make up that parameter, have I now convinced you I was created last Thursday?

What if someone told you that the Earth was created in 4004 BC with a flapdoodle age of billions of years? Would you accept that as the truth? Just like you report your God does, it makes up a parameter and gives it a value. If we call that made-up parameter physical age we get an "Amen," but when we call it flapdoodle age it is heresy. Go figure.

 

[dlamberth]

You know I put those in quotes, right?

By "snowball fight," I wanted you to get the idea that they were flinging chunks of rocks at each other.

Either that, or trying to deface God's pristine creation.

Since I believe God created the moon as smooth as a cue ball, I'd conjecture that evil angels would pelt it with debris they obtained by smashing things to bits and hurling them at the moon.

Remember -- we're dealing with a cosmic battle here on a universal scale by creatures of immense strength and proportions.

Which side, if any, won?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which side, if any, won?

The battle is still going on, but it has been severely limited in this area.

Throughout the OT, the evil side made many appearances.

But beginning at Pentecost, the Holy Ghost put a hedge of protection around us that will remain until the Rapture.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

The Holy Spirit will be "taken out of the way" at the Rapture, then all aitch will break forth on the earth.

 

[Diamond72]

f I told you I was created Last Thursday with my memories embedded and an appearance of a 66 year-old, you would immediately reject that possibility, yes?

What if we told you that you are embedded with the memory of all the people who gave you your DNA.

 

[doubtingmerle]

What if we told you that you are embedded with the memory of all the people who gave you your DNA.

If you told me that, I would say you didn't understand DNA.

 

[driewerf]

Read Revelation.

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Rev 21:23 - And the city had no need of the sun,neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

You realize, I hope that Revelations is a vision of things to come. So even if it had any values anywhere, it is no explanation of light before the sun.

*creationists, quote mining everyone and everything since 1859*.

 

[driewerf]

I don't think anywhere in the Bible did your God say how old the Earth is.

Would it matter?

It says Methuselah died 969 years old?

Do you believe that?

dlamberth believing or not believing that Methuselah lived 969 years is irrelevant to the fact that the bible doesn't says how old the earth is.
You're moving the goalposts.

 

[AV1611VET]

dlamberth believing or not believing that Methuselah lived 969 years is irrelevant to the fact that the bible doesn't says how old the earth is.
You're moving the goalposts.

My point being that, even if the Bible did say that the earth was n-years old, it wouldn't matter to someone who doesn't accept what the Bible says about a person being n-years old.

If you're not going to believe Methuselah was 969 years old, you're certainly not going to believe the earth is anything other than what science says it is.

 

[dlamberth]

My point being that, even if the Bible did say that the earth was n-years old, it wouldn't matter to someone who doesn't accept what the Bible says about a person being n-years old.

If you're not going to believe Methuselah was 969 years old, you're certainly not going to believe the earth is anything other than what science says it is.

My point is and always has been that the Earth itSelf points to a multi-Billion year old age. And not a fake-age. My position has nothing to do with believing the age of Biblical characters. Though I can see how my belief that the ancient midldle-east pre-Abraham creation stories that made it into the Jewish trajectories are related to the supposed great age of Biblical characters.

 

[BPPLEE]

You realize, I hope that Revelations is a vision of things to come. So even if it had any values anywhere, it is no explanation of light before the sun.

*creationists, quote mining everyone and everything since 1859*.

You don’t think an all powerful God is capable of supplying light?

 

[Kylie]

My point being that, even if the Bible did say that the earth was n-years old, it wouldn't matter to someone who doesn't accept what the Bible says about a person being n-years old.

If you're not going to believe Methuselah was 969 years old, you're certainly not going to believe the earth is anything other than what science says it is.

It's not an issue of what or who is making the claim.

I wouldn't accept a claim from anyone about anything unless there was some evidence to support it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I wouldn't accept a claim from anyone about anything unless there was some evidence to support it.

So you wouldn't accept a claim from Colonel Sanders that Kentucky Fried Chicken is made from eleven different secret herbs and spices?

 

[Kylie]

So you wouldn't accept a claim from Colonel Sanders that Kentucky Fried Chicken is made from eleven different secret herbs and spices?

I wouldn't claim to know for a fact that it was made from 11 secret herbs and spices. But then again, a recipe including 11 herbs and spices is pretty ordinary. Anyone can do it easily. So such a claim isn't that hard to believe. As has been said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So, the more unusual the claim is, the greater the degree of evidence we need to support it.

A recipe including 11 herbs and spices is a very common thing, and so it's easily believable.

A person living to over 900 years old is not very common at all. I would want quite a bit of evidence to support that claim.

Do you get this concept?