Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

[Kylie]

Your unsupported opinion is weighed with the life and words of Christ and all the holy men of God that were involved in Scripture and history. Your opinion is found wanting. Mene mene tekel ukiddin?

You are going to need more than a claim the Bible is true if you want me to believe it.

In fact, given the abysmal level of knowledge you have displayed about the topics you discuss, if you claim something, I'm inclined to believe the exact opposite
!

The bible is evidence when it comes to a future and past unknown to science. You have no other. Where does that leave you?

NOTHING is evidence unless it can be tested for accuracy!

That remains to be seen. Bring it sis.

Already done so, and you have failed. The fact you are incapable of seeing it only points towards the ignorance you have of science and how to discuss science.

Only in the sight of those who cannot see the spiritual power behind the words and men used for them. That amounts to nothing more than an admission of shortsightedness, and limited perspective.

Yeah yeah, big words, means nothing. Get something from reality, dad.

The big kids are not amused.

That's probably why none of them play with you as often as I do.

 

[Loudmouth]

Scripture says Jesus created.

Writing something down on paper does not make it true.

When will you realize this?

 

[dad]

Okay, you are completely ignorant of how radio-dating works, and you have just proved it. Your position is laughable and you have shown yourself to be completely uninformed on the subjects you are talking about.

Go and educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself.

I gave you every opportunity to save face, even posting something that mentions the sedimentary rock in the Goblin formation.

Your only recourse now is to explain how you think sedimentary rock there is dated by 'radio-dating'!? If you want to apologize and claim some fossil date or whatever, fine. Just show the basis for the dream dating.


Hoo Ha.

 

[dad]

Writing something down on paper does not make it true.

When will you realize this?

Rising from the dead and feeding tens of thousands on a few loaves and sihes and healing much if not all of the folks in Palestine, and fulfilling hundreds of specific Scriptures etc is doing something other than 'writing on paper'.

 

[dad]

You are going to need more than a claim the Bible is true if you want me to believe it.

In fact, given the abysmal level of knowledge you have displayed about the topics you discuss, if you claim something, I'm inclined to believe the exact opposite
!


NOTHING is evidence unless it can be tested for accuracy!



Already done so, and you have failed. The fact you are incapable of seeing it only points towards the ignorance you have of science and how to discuss science.



Yeah yeah, big words, means nothing. Get something from reality, dad.



That's probably why none of them play with you as often as I do.

So you have nothing. ok. YOU CANNOT TEST THE FUTURE OR PAST STATE FOR ACCURACY.

 

[Kylie]

So you have nothing. ok. YOU CANNOT TEST THE FUTURE OR PAST STATE FOR ACCURACY.

You cannot test the Bible for accuracy!

 

[Kylie]

I gave you every opportunity to save face, even posting something that mentions the sedimentary rock in the Goblin formation.

Your only recourse now is to explain how you think sedimentary rock there is dated by 'radio-dating'!? If you want to apologize and claim some fossil date or whatever, fine. Just show the basis for the dream dating.


Hoo Ha.

When a man is reduced to making fun of the opposition, then you know he has no real argument and has already lost.

 

[dad]

You cannot test the Bible for accuracy!

Yes, that has been done for thousands of years actually. Over and over and over. Jesus passed all the tests also for Scripture, riding into Jerusalem to be killed on a donkey, being born to a woman who never was with a man, in a certain town, after so many specific years and centuries, buried in a rich man's grave, had His feet and Hands pierced, rose from the dead, healed the multitudes from specific diseases (and then some), died innocent for our sakes on false charges, was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver that ended up in a potters field, etc etc.

The bible is proven and tried and tested over great time.

 

[dad]

When a man is reduced to making fun of the opposition, then you know he has no real argument and has already lost.

Rather than try to launch personal attacks, it may be best to focus on the issue at hand. In this case, you offered up a specific site as evidence that dates are known. (Goblin formation). You have not shown the basis for these so called dates, or explained how the evidence which was uplifted and etc would have all been sort of freshly reset or rebooted after the flood? You do understand that rocks that come from deep below the earth may contain atoms and etc that could have been formed and existed before it was uplifted??

 

[Kylie]

Yes, that has been done for thousands of years actually. Over and over and over. Jesus passed all the tests also for Scripture, riding into Jerusalem to be killed on a donkey, being born to a woman who never was with a man, in a certain town, after so many specific years and centuries, buried in a rich man's grave, had His feet and Hands pierced, rose from the dead, healed the multitudes from specific diseases (and then some), died innocent for our sakes on false charges, was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver that ended up in a potters field, etc etc.

The bible is proven and tried and tested over great time.

Oh, right. The Bible tells you that the Bible passes the tests. And since the Bible says it passes the tests, we know it must be right, and since it is right, we know it passes the tests. Please, that's circular reasoning at its worst.

The Book of Kylie

Chapter 1.

1: Kylie never lies.
2: There is no God.

We know from 1 that Kylie never lies. Because of this, we know that 1 must be true. After all, if 1 wasn't true, then 1 would be a lie, and that would contradict 1! So we know that Kylie never lies.

Since we know that Kylie never lies, we know that everything she says is the truth. Since she also says that there is no God, then we know she MUST be telling the truth when she says there is no God.

Therefore, there is no God.

You can't argue with that at all, so just admit defeat now and life will be easier for you!

 

[Kylie]

Rather than try to launch personal attacks, it may be best to focus on the issue at hand. In this case, you offered up a specific site as evidence that dates are known. (Goblin formation). You have not shown the basis for these so called dates, or explained how the evidence which was uplifted and etc would have all been sort of freshly reset or rebooted after the flood? You do understand that rocks that come from deep below the earth may contain atoms and etc that could have been formed and existed before it was uplifted??

Don't launch personal attacks? This from the person who has done nothing but insult science in an attempt to make it look bad. Please!

You also tell me to provide evidence to support my claims? Why should I do something when you refuse to provide evidence for your claims? I'm going to play by the same rules as you. You want evidence for my claims, you must provide evidence for yours.

BTW, since you are asking for evidence from the real world for my claims, I expect evidence from the real world for your claims. If you're going to quote passages from the Bible, I'm going to quote passages from the Book of Kylie as evidence for my claims.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Scripture says Jesus created. No technical anything is required. Especially since it never existed.

To worship means to hold above all else basically, and reverence and respect. So, yes, you do.



To give honor where honor is due is a good thing. To be grateful for great mercies and kindnesses is a good thing. That all comes with knowing we cannot save ourselves, I would think....and starting to feel God's hand in our lives.

-_- pretty sure even in the context of your beliefs, there was a first batch of life which god created, making those the first life forms. And if god made them one at a time, there would be 1 first life form that came before all the others.

I know that debating in this forum might give the impression that I care about evolution or think about it a lot, but actually, despite the theory's relevance to my studies and desired future career, I think about it far less than you'd think. And you know there are aspects of it and other related theories I don't agree with, we've talked about it with each other at least once before. There are most certainly things I am more obsessed with than evolution; carnivorous plants for one. In any case, caring about something or just agreeing with it in a general way is not equivalent to worship.

Yes, to be grateful for what you have is good, but just be sure to give thanks where it is due. Don't neglect to thank your parents for the good life you had, your role models for the inspiration they gave, or even yourself for the talents you laboriously worked for. You can still thank god for all these things, but never forget that more than just god impacts your life.

 

[dad]

Oh, right. The Bible tells you that the Bible passes the tests. And since the Bible says it passes the tests, we know it must be right, and since it is right, we know it passes the tests. Please, that's circular reasoning at its worst.

The Book of Kylie

Chapter 1.

1: Kylie never lies.
2: There is no God.

We know from 1 that Kylie never lies. Because of this, we know that 1 must be true. After all, if 1 wasn't true, then 1 would be a lie, and that would contradict 1! So we know that Kylie never lies.

Since we know that Kylie never lies, we know that everything she says is the truth. Since she also says that there is no God, then we know she MUST be telling the truth when she says there is no God.

Therefore, there is no God.

You can't argue with that at all, so just admit defeat now and life will be easier for you!

Rather than display a general lack of knowledge on history and Scripture, it might be better if you tried to peddle the armchair denial games elsewhere.

 

[dad]

-_- pretty sure even in the context of your beliefs, there was a first batch of life which god created, making those the first life forms. And if god made them one at a time, there would be 1 first life form that came before all the others.

All the birds and fish and animals were made on certain days. It is irrelevant to the evolution/creation debate whether some creatures were made moments before others or not.

Red herring.

I know that debating in this forum might give the impression that I care about evolution or think about it a lot, but actually, despite the theory's relevance to my studies and desired future career, I think about it far less than you'd think. And you know there are aspects of it and other related theories I don't agree with, we've talked about it with each other at least once before. There are most certainly things I am more obsessed with than evolution; carnivorous plants for one. In any case, caring about something or just agreeing with it in a general way is not equivalent to worship. [/QUOTE]

To credit something with creation itself is to put it before God.

Yes, to be grateful for what you have is good, but just be sure to give thanks where it is due. Don't neglect to thank your parents for the good life you had, your role models for the inspiration they gave, or even yourself for the talents you laboriously worked for. You can still thank god for all these things, but never forget that more than just god impacts your life.

Who do you think gave us the parents? Who do you think set the whole thing up, as to what we needed to go through and learn. Who did you think gave us talents??

 

[PsychoSarah]

Rather than display a general lack of knowledge on history and Scripture, it might be better if you tried to peddle the armchair denial games elsewhere.

To be fair though, you do realize too many people use the circular reasoning of "the bible is right because the bible says so", right? And that it is within the top 10 least convincing arguments for why the bible is true, which is really terrible when again you note just how many people use that argument.

 

[dad]

Don't launch personal attacks? This from the person who has done nothing but insult science in an attempt to make it look bad. Please!

To insult a godless truth opposing body of philosophy and methodology, and belief system is not to launch a personal attack.

You also tell me to provide evidence to support my claims? Why should I do something when you refuse to provide evidence for your claims?

You should support your 'science' claims regardless of what claims others have that may or may not be supported. Cop out!

I'm going to play by the same rules as you. You want evidence for my claims, you must provide evidence for yours.

I claim science doesn't know about the state of the past, and has no evidence for a certain state, namely the one they claim and use!


So when I look for evidence and knowledge, it must be without the domain of science. When we leave science in the dust, we are no longer bound by it's little criteria of what is acceptable evidence.

You do not leave that little domain, so you must pony up.

BTW, since you are asking for evidence from the real world for my claims, I expect evidence from the real world for your claims.

The real future and real past are not evidenced here. That is your great mistake, in thinking they should be.

If you're going to quote passages from the Bible, I'm going to quote passages from the Book of Kylie as evidence for my claims.

Scripture got where it did for reasons that impacted billions, and were experienced and seen through great time. Nothing compares to it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

All the birds and fish and animals were made on certain days. It is irrelevant to the evolution/creation debate whether some creatures were made moments before others or not.

Red herring.

To credit something with creation itself is to put it before God.


Who do you think gave us the parents? Who do you think set the whole thing up, as to what we needed to go through and learn. Who did you think gave us talents??

I know, just wanted to point it out. I was having a rare mischievous moment.

Is it illogical that I put concepts that I view accurately represent reality before that which I interpret as nonexistent? I know from your perspective god exists, but in my position would you do any different?

Free will, your parents still CHOSE to be good parents, for god to make them good parents would be a violation of free will, they had to of chosen to raise you at the level of quality they did, whatever that is. Likewise, those people you looked up to CHOSE to commit themselves to whatever you appreciate them for, because god would be violating free will if it messed with their actions. And you CHOSE to cultivate your talents, having a knack for them or not, because for god to do so would again be a violation of free will. So at the most, thank god for the opportunities, and the people for rising up to them, because as per free will, they could have chosen not to use the opportunities god gave them, as per your religious beliefs. Is it too much to ask to thank more than just god for stuff, seriously, if you feel you have to give god the thanks first or something to express the fact that you view said being to be the most important to thank, but don't neglect everything else that is deserving of thanks.

 

[dad]

To be fair though, you do realize too many people use the circular reasoning of "the bible is right because the bible says so", right?

No.

Jesus quoted Scripture that was known to be sacred and from God, and proven. It was passed down, not invented.

 

[PsychoSarah]

No.

Jesus quoted Scripture that was known to be sacred and from God, and proven. It was passed down, not invented.

-_- even as committed as you are, you should still realize that saying "the bible is right because it says so" and nothing else wouldn't convince a kindergartner

 

[dad]

I know, just wanted to point it out. I was having a rare mischievous moment.

Is it illogical that I put concepts that I view accurately represent reality before that which I interpret as nonexistent? I know from your perspective god exists, but in my position would you do any different?

As much as you like to identify yourself as being atheist, I seem to recall that you prayed for salvation once.

Free will, your parents still CHOSE to be good parents, for god to make them good parents would be a violation of free will, they had to of chosen to raise you at the level of quality they did, whatever that is.

Ah...no! You see there is a thing known as providence. Some people hold that to be a much greater display of God's greatness than miracles. I think providence is sort of like how God can have every detail work out perfect as a plan.

Likewise, those people you looked up to CHOSE to commit themselves to whatever you appreciate them for, because god would be violating free will if it messed with their actions. And you CHOSE to cultivate your talents, having a knack for them or not, because for god to do so would again be a violation of free will.

I may have chose according to what was in me and what God made me to like and have abilities for...etc.

So at the most, thank god for the opportunities, and the people for rising up to them, because as per free will, they could have chosen not to use the opportunities god gave them, as per your religious beliefs.

No. God is more powerful than that. It is almost like He knows the end from the beginning, and can answer before we even call, and set things up in advance! That includes people who are also being set up for another plan, that also fit in to ours against their knowledge or even will in many cases...etc etc.

Is it too much to ask to thank more than just god for stuff, seriously, if you feel you have to give god the thanks first or something to express the fact that you view said being to be the most important to thank, but don't neglect everything else that is deserving of thanks.

People and circumstances can and are used regardless of whether they know it or not, or are a willing part of the plan