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Young kids are easy to teach about God actually. It is the old goats that have many 'buts' that can be a challenge.
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Young kids are easy to teach about God actually. It is the old goats that have many 'buts' that can be a challenge.-_- even as committed as you are, you should still realize that saying "the bible is right because it says so" and nothing else wouldn't convince a kindergartner
Young kids are easy to teach about God actually. It is the old goats that have many 'buts' that can be a challenge.
As much as you like to identify yourself as being atheist, I seem to recall that you prayed for salvation once.
Ah...no! You see there is a thing known as providence. Some people hold that to be a much greater display of God's greatness than miracles. I think providence is sort of like how God can have every detail work out perfect as a plan.
I may have chose according to what was in me and what God made me to like and have abilities for...etc.
No. God is more powerful than that. It is almost like He knows the end from the beginning, and can answer before we even call, and set things up in advance!That includes people who are also being set up for another plan, that also fit in to ours against their knowledge or even will in many cases...etc etc.
People and circumstances can and are used regardless of whether they know it or not, or are a willing part of the plan
It is the duty of believers to teach children the right way. The best way they can or know how.Yes they are taught, but they are told more than that
Yes I do, but not unrestricted. Man will not be allowed to destroy the planet and all life.So, you do not believe in free will then.
They got where they are by giving in to evil too much I would suspect. Every man is a potential murderer, in fact if we hate our brother we are a murderer, even if the deed is not carried out.So god set up murderers and rapists to be trash then? Or are you going to mention demons as a cop-out?
Prayed for salvation ONCE?! Do not insult me my good man, I have been praying for that almost once a week for the past 6 years (how often and how regularly I pray for that has no consistency).
Good for you. I think you are on the right track. Relax though, belief may not come as fast and large to us as you may have thought. Reading or hearing the word of God causes faith to grow. I guess there is a time before it grows when it may be too small to seeThe only "once" is in a specific prayer you suggested I do. I pray for belief, which obviously I do not have.
Apparently not. But the funny thing is, that for me to be shown wrong, and probably a lot of other folks, it can take considerable time. I tend to cling to my notions to the bitter end. Like the same state past, which I think is a right notion...good luck getting me to dump thatI pray that the entity I view as nonexistent shows me that I am wrong, did you not understand the first time we talked about this?
I could have sworn you are someone who knows how long I have been seeking faith. Nevertheless, in case you aren't aware, despite never attaining belief in any deity, that has never stopped me from making honest attempts at contact.
Even earlier than 6 years ago, interested kid that I was, should all else have failed in some random endeavor, I would pray for help. Silly, childish things, like the return of a hopelessly lost toy, dropped under the stands at a hockey game, never to be seen again.
I never believed anything would come of such prayers even when I was really young, but I was of the mindset that it couldn't hurt to try.
The problem with teaching kids fables as truth is that they lose ability to some degree to differentiate truth from fable. I could see also how someone getting saved that comes from a totally atheist background might take awhile longer to grow in faith.I was a weirdly skeptical little kid, figured out Santa Claus wasn't real by age 4-5, much to my mother's dismay, the Tooth Fairy disproved when I lost a tooth in the middle of the night and put it under my pillow, only to of course wake up and find the tooth was still there. Little me did not appreciate the deception. I guess that is why I ended up always taking stuff like that with extreme skepticism. Life story over I guess with that, I shouldn't derail this thread.
To insult a godless truth opposing body of philosophy and methodology, and belief system is not to launch a personal attack.
You should support your 'science' claims regardless of what claims others have that may or may not be supported. Cop out!
I claim science doesn't know about the state of the past, and has no evidence for a certain state, namely the one they claim and use!
So when I look for evidence and knowledge, it must be without the domain of science. When we leave science in the dust, we are no longer bound by it's little criteria of what is acceptable evidence.
You do not leave that little domain, so you must pony up.
The real future and real past are not evidenced here. That is your great mistake, in thinking they should be.
Scripture got where it did for reasons that impacted billions, and were experienced and seen through great time. Nothing compares to it.
Rather than display a general lack of knowledge on history and Scripture, it might be better if you tried to peddle the armchair denial games elsewhere.
Young kids are easy to teach about God actually. It is the old goats that have many 'buts' that can be a challenge.
It is the duty of believers to teach children the right way. The best way they can or know how.
I deny nothing, ever. I simply question why evos deny spiritual realities usually, and invent godless and baseless stories.Rather than display a general lack of knowledge on reality and science, it might be better if you tried to peddle the armchair denial games elsewhere.
You taught her falsehoods?Only because they take everything as truth. Mummy said this, and mummy is right, therefore what she said is right.
Please, when my daughter was younger, she learnt about Santa Claus and believed in him.
Then she grew up and thought for herself.
No, sometimes, as Jesus showed us, it is needed, funny, and educational, and alerts us to dangerous lies.Never said it was the same, did I? But anyone who thinks that using insults is a valid way of conducting a discussion is pretty pathetic, don't you think?
Your claims are supposed to be science which is supposed to have certain types of support. This is news?Again, I ask why I should support my claims when you refuse to support yours.
If you knew what you were talking about you would not say that.And you claim this because you refuse to actually learn what you are talking about. Your argument stems from your ignorance.
No. I ain't. So called science is an example of Freddy Krueger gone ape on the truth!You are an example of the Dunning Kruger effect in action, dad.
Jesus did that. You should try to work on that denial thing.When you make claims about reality, you must produce evidence to support them. WHy don't you do this? Because there is none.
You are, nya nya.Again, you are claiming this from your ignorance.
It all depends on what 70% they are!Please. You want to use the argument from popularity? Then almost 70% of people think Christianity is wrong.
I deny nothing, ever. I simply question why evos deny spiritual realities usually, and invent godless and baseless stories.
You taught her falsehoods?
No, sometimes, as Jesus showed us, it is needed, funny, and educational, and alerts us to dangerous lies.
Your claims are supposed to be science which is supposed to have certain types of support. This is news?
If you knew what you were talking about you would not say that.
No. I ain't. So called science is an example of Freddy Krueger gone ape on the truth!
Jesus did that. You should try to work on that denial thing.
You are, nya nya.
It all depends on what 70% they are!
So it was not possible to teach them what was true, because Santa was preached as real in other places?Yes, because a parent is the ONLY place in the entire universe where a child is exposed to the idea of Santa Claus.
Please. Start thinking before you post, okay?
If they were false they need not be denied, just exposed.Oh rubbish. You've rallied against any ideas that disagree with your own and claimed they were false.
Am to.And you aren't any of those things.
I recognize religion and fluff for what they are.ANd you are incapable of recognising that support when it is provied.
The effect you referred to is of less interest than the one I alluded to.Do you have any idea what you are talking about? You certainly don't know what I am talking about, otherwise you'd be able to actually respond to the post instead of trying to make a bad joke.
Correction. Those who knew Him told us that, and He told us that His words would never pass away. Where else do you think they may be??Correction: you are told that Jesus did that.
False. See, you are wrong, I spotted it.But you seem incapable of realising that you can be told something that is not true.
Not to God. Not to me. Not in the big picture of eternity. Let the waves roar, and let the heathen rage. Whooopee do.They think you are wrong. That's all that matters.
So it was not possible to teach them what was true, because Santa was preached as real in other places?
If they were false they need not be denied, just exposed.
Am to.
I recognize religion and fluff for what they are.
The effect you referred to is of less interest than the one I alluded to.
Correction. Those who knew Him told us that, and He told us that His words would never pass away. Where else do you think they may be??
False. See, you are wrong, I spotted it.
Not to God. Not to me. Not in the big picture of eternity. Let the waves roar, and let the heathen rage. Whooopee do.
Great. That is a common story, except that in most cases it seems the parent is the one that affirms the belief, or teaches it even. How is this difficult for you to understand?My daughter learnt about Santa Claus and was told he is real. Later, she started using logic and reason and concluded that Santa is not real.
How can I have evidence that you did or did not teach a child about Santa??And you have never provided a single shred of evidence to show that any of the ideas I have presented are wrong.
That doesn't seem to be a fair statement.You recognise them as what you want them to be. I doubt you are capable of an unbiased opinion.
God and Scripture and the actual basis of science is of interest to some.To you, maybe. But your interest is not related to the importance of things.
Correction: The record was passed down, don't retreat into last Thursdayism on us.Correction: You are TOLD these things were said by the people you are told knew him.
If you find something wrong, and can reliably prove it, do let us know then, I guess.Oh, nonsense. Being able to say something is wrong does not mean that you are able to reliably determine if something is wrong.
If we do not believe the Scripture, neither would we believe if one came to us from the dead.And let God come and show me the truth, and I will convert!
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