Taking Question on the Creation and/or the Flood

[AV1611VET]

I'll take questions on the Creation and/or the Flood, and do my best to answer them from a Biblical perspective.

I major in both areas.

 

[Split Rock]

I'll take questions on the Creation and/or the Flood, and do my best to answer them from a Biblical perspective.

I major in both areas.

OK. I'll bite. I asked this question of another creationist, but he didn't respond yet.

Why does the fossil record show us that not only some species but entire ecosystems of the past were different from any that exist today?

Why don't we find extant (living) species in the fossil record?

 

[Bakin]

I'll ask my question from one of my threads, plus an original at no extra cost.

Why did God create us as humans? Why a sentient ape species as opposed to all of the other creatures imaginable?

Science tells us that humans did not exist for 99.999...% of the universe's history. Young-Earth creationism flips this around, claiming that humans have existed for 99.999...% of the universe's existence. In other words, the universe had no reason to be before humans came along. Clearly diametrically opposed. Creationism seems to me as a means of trying elevate humanity to the position of sole reason behind the universe's existence. Why don't you agree with me?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why does the fossil record show us that not only some species but entire ecosystems of the past were different from any that exist today?

The past was different than it is today. Different "kinds" of animals existed then. As I have said before, if you were to observe all the animals that boarded the Ark, in my opinion, you would not have recognized half of them.

Why don't we find extant (living) species in the fossil record?

Because the fossil record isn't nearly as old as you think it is.

 

[FishFace]

When and how were the massive amounts of lava, such as those of large igneous provinces, or as I have observed first hand, the stepped fjords in Iceland, formed?
The fjords are certainly beautiful - at least 20 layers of lava, interspersed with sediment and soil. There don't appear to be any signs of erosion such as that from a flood - the fjords themselves could only have been carved by a glacier. As such, they must presumably have been formed after the flood. How did such a lot of lava arrive on the earth's surface without disrupting life (which must have been delicate for a while after the flood, seeing as there were only two of most creatures)

Same goes for the LIPS - that's a lot of lava to erupt and cool in a few thousand years.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why did God create us as humans?

Why He created us is a difficult question to answer. Some say He created man to have dominion over the rest of His Creation. Some say He created man to have someone to fellowship with. Some say He did it in order to prove to Lucifer that He could create a race dedicated solely to Him.

Why a sentient ape species as opposed to all of the other creatures imaginable?

We are not a sentinent ape species. We were created special --- that is, in God's likeness and image.

[bible]Genesis 1:26-27[/bible]

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

The past was different than it is today. Different "kinds" of animals existed then. As I have said before, if you were to observe all the animals that boarded the Ark, in my opinion, you would not have recognized half of them.



Because the fossil record isn't nearly as old as you think it is.

So how old do you think the fossil record is and how did it form?
What layers in the earth's geology were deposited by the flood and which are preflood and post flood?

If the flood was 4,500 years ago how is it that so many lakes have varves (alternating annual layers) that go back more than 10,000 years?

Using Egypt and Mesopotamia as examples fit each of these eras into a Biblical Framework
Paleolithic
Neolithic
Early Bronze Age

That's all for now.

 

[AV1611VET]

So how old do you think the fossil record is and how did it form?
What layers in the earth's geology were deposited by the flood and which are preflood and post flood?

If the flood was 4,500 years ago how is it that so many lakes have varves (alternating annual layers) that go back more than 10,000 years?

Using Egypt and Mesopotamia as examples fit each of these eras into a Biblical Framework
Paleolithic
Neolithic
Early Bronze Age

That's all for now.

God did it.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

When and how were the massive amounts of lava, such as those of large igneous provinces, or as I have observed first hand, the stepped fjords in Iceland, formed?
The fjords are certainly beautiful - at least 20 layers of lava, interspersed with sediment and soil. There don't appear to be any signs of erosion such as that from a flood - the fjords themselves could only have been carved by a glacier. As such, they must presumably have been formed after the flood. How did such a lot of lava arrive on the earth's surface without disrupting life (which must have been delicate for a while after the flood, seeing as there were only two of most creatures)

Same goes for the LIPS - that's a lot of lava to erupt and cool in a few thousand years.

AV in case you don't know LIPs are Large Igneous Provinces. You might also tell us when the various Supervolcanoes in earth's history occured.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

God did it.

In other words you can't answer anything without invoking the Omphalos Hypothesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV in case you don't know LIPs are Large Igneous Provinces. You might also tell us when the various Supervolcanoes in earth's history occured.

Do you have any questions from a Biblical perspective, or are you just trying to be funny?

I'm not interested in what your textbooks teach, I'm interested in what my Bible says.

And if your textbooks disagree with my Bible, your textbooks are wrong.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

God did it.

So if you like God did it please tell us how an Omnipotent, Omniscient God ends up "Repenting" of His creation and decides to destroy it with a big flood. Did He not know what would happen when He created the place? Did He just blunder? Or did He make this "Good" creation He must have know would become a mess because He likes drowning things? Enquiring minds want to know.

 

[Allister]

Why did God take six days to create the universe and all its contents; why not create it in an instant?

 

[Galle]

Today, 09:33 AM

I'll take questions on the Creation and/or the Flood, and do my best to answer them from a Biblical perspective.

I major in both areas.

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Today, 10:32 AM

God did it.

Well, so much for answering questions substantively. Good lord man! You didn't even last an hour!

Today, 10:36 AM

AV in case you don't know LIPs are Large Igneous Provinces. You might also tell us when the various Supervolcanoes in earth's history occured.

Do you have any questions from a Biblical perspective, or are you just trying to be funny?

I'm not interested in what your textbooks teach, I'm interested in what my Bible says.

And if your textbooks disagree with my Bible, your textbooks are wrong.

This is pathetic. You've gone from "I'll answer questions" to silly non-answers to simply whining about the questions themselves. And all within the space of 93 minutes!

Is it any wonder that creationists aren't taken seriously?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Do you have any questions from a Biblical perspective, or are you just trying to be funny?

I'm not interested in what your textbooks teach, I'm interested in what my Bible says.

And if your textbooks disagree with my Bible, your textbooks are wrong.

So you are saying those thing don't exist because you can't explain them in a Biblical perspective? Here is a picture of the Deccan Traps. Is my textbook that calls them a large igneous province wrong?

 

[Bakin]

Why He created us is a difficult question to answer. Some say He created man to have dominion over the rest of His Creation. Some say He created man to have someone to fellowship with. Some say He did it in order to prove to Lucifer that He could create a race dedicated solely to Him.

The question was why he created us as humans. Why aren't we one of the infinite number of imaginable species?

We are not a sentinent ape species. We were created special --- that is, in God's likeness and image.

[bible]Genesis 1:26-27[/bible]

Yeah, that's the kind of response I'd expect. Let me share my philosophy of religion: Religion is the worship of humanity, and humans have never worshipped anything other than themselves. In other words, humans are narcassists and religion is just their mirror. Declaring yourself special is just one of example of this. Perhaps if you had read my second question, which you convieniently ignored, you could have commented on that.

The very thought of just being a "sentient ape" terrifies you, doesn't it? It's not good enough that you exist, or even that you were created by God, you had to have been created in the image and likeliness of God.

There will never again be a day in which I don't think that religion, as the world has known it, is much more than humanity looking back at itself and saying how great it is.

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself" - Richard Francis Burton

 

[mpok1519]

I am making this post based upon the scientific rationalization of my biology, geology, and physics professors.

1)I don't believe the flood could have been world-wide, for we would have seen massive amounts of geological evidence world-wide of global precipitation/evaporation. We would have witnessed more salt desposits along every corner of the known globe if it were a global flood.

2) every animal known to mankind could not have gotten onto that boat. The dimensions the Bible includes( the size of roughly over a football field, and no deeper than a few stories high) restricts one to the idea that there was simply not enough room on such a boat for EVERY known animal in the world to fit.

3. not every animal on earth could have migrated(and survived) from its indigenous origins all the way to the middle east. A Penguin on the southern tip of south america could not have walked all the way up south america to the mideast(through the pampas, the andes mountains, the deserts of mexico, the rockies, canada, and all the way across the alleutian landbridge in alaska, across russia, down through the himilayas and across the deserts of arabia) without dying. A penguin just isn't fit for that long kind of migration. in all actuality, even if it could survive those harsh environments, it'd die from old age.

4. an animal who lived in australia COULD NOT have made it to the mid east because animals don't know how to make and sail boats.

Explain to me this>> did Noh have kangaroos on his ark? IF so, how did they get there?

Explain using rational and logical terms how a kangaroo, duck billed platypus, wallabees, cassowaries and echidnas could EVER have gotten over to the mid east on their own?

they couldn't.

that is why the flood WAS NOT A WORLD WIDE FLOOD. It was a regional flood, and if people keep telling folks that it was world-wide, theyre pretty much lying.

 

[TheOutsider]

God did it.

That answers the Who, but doesn't explain the How, the When or the Why. I really hope that isn't your answer to everything.

 

[elcapitan]

If the global flood happened, then where did the water come from to cause the flood and where did the water go to after the flood?

Also, why did God cause a flood if it wasn't necessary? Why didn't he just individually smite everyone except Noah's family? Wasn't the destruction caused by the flood unnecessary?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

That answers the Who, but doesn't explain the How, the When or the Why. I really hope that isn't your answer to everything.

I see that you are new here. Based on what we have seen for several thousand posts now your hope is vain. "God did it" has been AV's only answer so far.