Take on the Trinity- What do you think?

[SevenAngels]

Hello!

I am new here, and thought I'd ask you guys and gals what your view is of the Trinity.

Everyone at one point or another has tried to struggle through comprehending the nature of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I am sure that this all has been talked about before, but thought I would throw this view out there for you to ponder.

I recently found the Nasa Mike website. He has an interesting view on the Trinity. He puts forth that God is outside all things, and that we are "In" Him. That is why no one can see Him and live, since we would have to come outside of Him to "See" him.

Now, the Jesus of the New Testament, and the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament are "forms" of God. So since God spoke and all things came into being, he thought them into being. It would be sort of like you closing your eyes and "creating" a world in your mind, and then "thinking" yourself into your creation/world in your mind. Jesus was God, by God thinking himself into his creation of our world. In the old Testament, he contends that Moses actually come as close as he could to seing God, as did others in the Old Testament, by God "projecting" himself into his creation in various forms, even that of a burning bush.

So the Nasa Mike says that the Holy Spirit is the "thought" of God. The Holy Spirit is not a visible/physical being but is the direct thoughts of God coming to us.

Have any of you gone to the Nasa Mike website (at nasamike.com/main/book/) and read through his views? Pretty interesting take on the Trinity, and he bases and backs all of it up with the Bible.

Well, just thought I would try to post something here, and see what you all think about this.

Take care, God bless you and your families, and have a Happy Easter. HE IS RISEN!

SevenAngels

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Have not read his stuff but actually sounds similar to what Augustine taught over a thousand of years ago. God the Father speaks (or thinks), the Words formed are Jesus and the breath required to form Words is the Spirit.

 

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

I have studied this for some time and the basic arguments come down to this:

1. The pre-existence of Jesus as equal and co-eternal with the Father as the Nicene and Anthanusas Creeds state.

2. Jesus was created and hence subordinate to the Father..

The above is the basis for Trinitarian thought within Christian Churches

Other views of Jesus are:

3. Jesus is the son of God but not God come in the flesh.

4. Jesus became the Son of God after the resurrection; the other-side of this argument is that Jesus became the Son of God through His miracleous birth and baptism.

There is so much debate about this and it really causes alot of friction and headaches with believers who differ. Just views other topics related to this on the forum and you can a good idea what people are thinking.

For now,
David.

 

[reformedfan]

old fashion heresy gussied up in new age clothes.

The Trinity: try to explain it, you lose your mind; try to deny it, you lose your soul

 

[Quickened]

old fashion heresy gussied up in new age clothes.

The Trinity: try to explain it, you lose your mind; try to deny it, you lose your soul

Whoa! What a quote!

Anyway, I believe in the Trinity and I've been studying it for some time now.

 

[God Child]

thoughts:

God the Son-Truth
God the Father-Love
God the Holy Spirit-Power

They are One

Trying to "define" infinite perfection with a limitied and imperfect mind? Sure, God can help us know who He is, but the datails? Compare truth with truth, but try not to explain the "logic" of it.

 

[Extirpated Wildlife]

Whoa! What a quote!

Anyway, I believe in the Trinity and I've been studying it for some time now.

Why are you shocked? Its the truth. Heresy rebottled.

 

[Extirpated Wildlife]

Just believe it. If you want a understanding, then I will see if I can find what the early Christians wrote on it. Someone back then wrote a LOOONG document on it. Longer than you care to read because it had to be written to sift out the heresies of the day.

I wish more Christian scholars today were more willing to write long essays to prove the heresies found in Christianity today.

 

[Quickened]

Why are you shocked? Its the truth. Heresy rebottled.

If you're saying "It's the truth" as in, "The Trinity is true," then I agree. It's just I thought the quote was rather interesting.

 

[mythbuster]

The Triunity...

The Father is the Fountain of Living Waters. (Jer. 2:13)
We come to the Son and He gives us living water to drink that become in us a fountain of water gushing up into eternal life. (John 4:14)

And He showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb...

 

[mythbuster]

The Son rejoices as a man who finds the lost sheep, the Spirit rejoices as the sweeping woman who finds the lost silver coin. The Father rejoices over the son who was lost but now is found. Luke 15

 

[mythbuster]

Exodus 17:6a. I will be standing before you there on upon the rock in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it so that the people may drink...

The rock is a type of Christ, and the water depicts the Spirit, released because of His life releasing death. John 7:37-39. I Cor 15:45.
His death is typified by the rock struck with the staff. "I" typifies the Father.

The Triune God in action.

 

[mythbuster]

Ephesians 2:18.
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Through the Son and by the Spirit we have access to the Father.
because God is triune we can have access to God.

Even joined to God.
He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.(I Cor 6:17)
I am the vine and you are the branches. (John 15:5a)

Because God is triune, God can be in us.
In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you and me, and I in you. (John 14:20)
The Son is in us, and we are in Him and He is in the Father.
Jesus answered and said to Him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep my word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (John 14:23)
The Son and the Father make their abode with those who love Him. We are the many abodes in the Fathers house.
In my Father's house are many abodes... (John 14:2a)
God is with us.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ , and the Love of God and the fellowship of the Spirit be with you all. II Cor 13:14

Once we did not have God in us but one day we received Him, we received the Son with the Father by the Spirit into us, making us all one, even as He is one with the Father.

 

[mythbuster]

Triune God in us.

From Roman chapter 8... the Spirit of God dwells in you. Yet if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him. 10 But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you...

 

[mythbuster]

Psalm 36:8,9
They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures. For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

The house is the house of God (the church) where we are satisfied with the fatness (the Son), and drink of the river(the Spirit), from the fountain of Life (the Father).
I Tim 3:15, Luke 10:34, John 7:39, Jer.2:13

The church: satisfying, thirst quenching, pleasing, the healing house of wine, manifesting God in the flesh.

 

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

There has been an over-load of debates on the Logos/Word Christology and the arguments go around and around. There is a missing link in these debates and it is Spirit Christology. This is not a pentecostal or charismatic argument, but it is seeing the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Jesus/Yeshua here on this earth. First in over-shadowing Mary, His baptism, to His work and fulfillement of redemption to His resurrection; plus, the all important work that is suppose to be worked-out in our lives. This is the self-same Spirit of Genesis 1!

Go to: http://www.mcmaster.ca/mjtm/1-3.htm

Have a good weekend.

In Him,
David.

 

[jgaive]

No, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not forms of God but eternally existing Persons in a community of love one to another,

 

[jgaive]

The Son rejoices as a man who finds the lost sheep, the Spirit rejoices as the sweeping woman who finds the lost silver coin. The Father rejoices over the son who was lost but now is found. Luke 15

Yes I agree with this. Each of the Three Persons acts in a different way, and yet in unity of purpose.

The Son the Shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep, The Spirit is the Wisdom of God searching and transforming. The Father calls us, but waits for us to turn to him.

 

[jgaive]

From Finland.
There is a missing link in these debates and it is Spirit Christology. This is not a pentecostal or charismatic argument, but it is seeing the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of Jesus/Yeshua here on this earth. First in over-shadowing Mary, His baptism, to His work and fulfillement of redemption to His resurrection; plus, the all important work that is suppose to be worked-out in our lives. This is the self-same Spirit of Genesis 1!

I agree with this- Jesus is the Messiah - which literally means the one anointed by the Spirit.

 

[mythbuster]

Revelation 1:4.5

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is coming (the Father) and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne (the Spirit) And from Jesus Christ (the Son), the faithful Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood.

Revelation 3:1 ...these things says He who has the seven Spirits of God...

Revelation 4:5 And out from the throne come forth lightnings and voices and thunders, And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 And I saw in the midst of the of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing as having just been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The eyes of the Son are the Spirit sent forth burning, and bringing the throne of God the Father. And the Son is the cornerstone to carry out God's building and upon this stone are seven eyes (Zechariah 3:9) and these seven rejoice, they are the eyes of Jehovah running to and fro on the whole earth. (Zechariah 4:10) This Spirit is working transforming us as living stones, (I Peter 2:5) consumating in the living city of living stones the New Jerusalem, which is the bride for the Son.