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[eph3Nine]

Comparison of Programs....The Purpose for each Gospel

Judaism = Peter

The reason for the Gospel of the KINGDOM was to prepare Israel for the Millennium.

According to Revelation 20:4, the Lord Jesus Christ is going to reign on earth for 1000 years. Those who had been saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom in gospel times and those who will be saved during the future Tribulation Period (Matthew 24:14) will enter the Millennium, which in Matthew is called the Kingdom of Heaven, and in Mark, Luke and John, the Kingdom of God.

The Jewish believers were not promised heaven as a final place of abode. There is not one Scripture that teaches that those saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom would go to heaven when they died.

The Kingdom of Heaven is NOT Heaven itself, but heaven brought down to EARTH. The greek word for heaven is used about 147 times in the four gospels, and is broken down into the following categories:

1. The Kingdom of Heaven - 33 times

2. God the Father in Heaven - 18 times

3. Treasures in Heaven -6 times

4. The actual heavens -90 times

This is the way the word "heaven" must be understood in the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The ONLY beings spoken of as going to heaven or being in heaven are the Lord Jesus and the angels.

Everlasting life, promised to Jewish believers under the Gospel of the Kingdom, will be spent on the EARTH, beginning with the Millennium, which in turn will be replaced with the NEW earth of Revelation 21 and 22.

The 'treasure', 'reward', and 'names' written down in heaven are in relation to the Millennial Kingdom. When Christ comes back to reign, He will being His reward with Him. "And behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Rev. 22:12)


Christianity = Paul


The reason for the Gospel of the Grace of God is to prepare sinners, Jews and Gentiles, for HEAVEN itself!

Paul got a glimpse of the place where God dwells (2 Cor. 12:1-4). No wonder he wanted to depart and be with Christ, which is far BETTER (Phillippians 1:23). To die is gain. Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. (2 Cor. 5:8) OUr conversation (ie; citizenship) is in heaven (Philippians 3:20). "When Christ our life shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in Glory." (Col. 3:4)

All of Gods people in the Bible have everlasting life, but we are NOT all going to be spending eternity in the same place.

The Body of Christ, God's one true Church in this Dispensation, has the highest position of all the redeemed in the Bible. We are seated together with Him IN THE HEAVENLIES (Eph. 2:6)

Praise the Lord!

 

[joelwnelson]

Revelation 20:4 says nothing about "on the earth."

All of Gods people in the Bible have everlasting life, but we are NOT all going to be spending eternity in the same place.

Please back that up with Scripture.

Those who had been saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom in gospel times and those who will be saved during the future Tribulation Period (Matthew 24:14) will enter the Millennium.

Where does it specifically say this? The Gospel of the Kingdom is the Good News (Gospel) of Christ. The Gospel of the Kingdom is the good news that leads people to Him.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Eph, so many times in the last coupld of days, you have been presented with scripture after scripture in a multiplicity of threads, that totally contradicts your positoin.

You say Judaism = Peter. .

No . . just because Peter was a Jew that doesn't mean that he was stuck in Judaism.

Peter was COMMISSIONED BY GOD to go to the GENTILES . .

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
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Yet you refuse to acknowledge this or deal with this.

How intellectually honest is that?


Peter lived after the manner of the Gentiles, which no Jew stuck in Judaism would ever dream of doing:

Look:

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
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The same GOSPEL . . Peter lived as a Gentile among Gentiles by the same GOSPEL both he and Paul preached.

The problem above is that he acted HYPOCRITICALLY, and did not DO as he TAUGHT.

Only one Gospel eph . .. .


And Judaism does NOT equal Peter, so the entire premist of your post is in error, meaning everything that flows from that premise is flawed too . ..

Please become better familiar with your bible.



Peace

 

[eph3Nine]

Revelation 20:4 says nothing about "on the earth."

Revelation is written to Israel at a future time. If you want to see Gods plan, you must begin in Gen 1:1. He created TWO realms and has governmental structure in each one of them. HEAVEN "and" EARTH.

Israel is promised real estate here on earth, and is never promised a heavenly dwelling place. Their blessings are all temporal. The jews walked by SIGHT, and they are called the SIGN nation because they wanted "signs" and God gave them to them. They KNEW that they were promised a KINGDOM, here on EARTH, its parameters carefully measured out to the millimeter by the way, and they would be given twelve thrones for the twelve apostles, to judge the twelve tribes ON THE EARTH. Their program is based on the law of Moses/ Prophecy.They will also have a KING. A KING must have a KINGDOM.

The Body of Christ, on the other hand, is promised "all spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY Places". Our citizenship is in HEAVEN...we are never promised any earthly real estate or temporal blessings, but are told to walk by FAITH in what God has told US is His plan and purpose for US. Our program is based on the dispensation of the GRACE of God/the MYSTERY.

Please back that up with Scripture.

There is a ton of scripture to back this up and most of it is already ON this site. If you would like a book with most of the relevant scriptures IN it already, I would be happy to send it to you for your study, but I dont have the time to type up all the related references FOR you, as I have already typed them out several times here. If you will PM me your mailing address, I will send you the book FREE and you can study it on your own. Hows that?

Where does it specifically say this? The Gospel of the Kingdom is the Good News (Gospel) of Christ. The Gospel of the Kingdom is the good news that leads people to Him.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is the gospel preached by the twelve and Jesus while He was on the earth. It has to do with the Nation Israel. Do a word search and see where you find the references.

The Gospel of Christ is the Gospel of OUR salvation TODAY, and is used ONLY by Paul. Peter never preached this gospel. It is found in 1 Cor 15;1-4 and has to do with believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as sufficient payment to give you a right standing with God.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Comparison of Programs....The Purpose for each Gospel

Judaism = Peter

Dealt with above

The reason for the Gospel of the KINGDOM was to prepare Israel for the Millennium.

You have not establisehd that there is a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, or that there is a future eathly kingdom of Israel.

Until you do, this is just empty rhetoric.

But you can't prove it and I know you can't . . . so this is all it can ever be -empty rhetoric

According to Revelation 20:4, the Lord Jesus Christ is going to reign on earth for 1000 years.

No .. according to Rev 20:4, there is a period of time which is SYMBOLICALLY represented by "a thousand years" (which is never used literally in scriture), and it does not speak of Christ reigning bodily or over an earthly kingdom.

Rev 1:5 says Christ is REIGNING NOW over the Kings of the earth and has been at least since the time John wrote those words almost 2000 years ago . . . Did you know that?

Rev 1:5 even from Jesus Christ the Faithful Witness, the First-born out of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him loving us and washing us from our sins by His blood,
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This is now eph . . not in the future.


No way you can honestly argue against that!

Those who had been saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom in gospel times and those who will be saved during the future Tribulation Period (Matthew 24:14) will enter the Millennium, which in Matthew is called the Kingdom of Heaven, and in Mark, Luke and John, the Kingdom of God.

This is just the parroting of dispensationalist propaganda, rhetoric and traditions of men, invented by Darby and propogated by men such as Scofield.

It is all based on the mistaken belief that God has yet to fulfill His promise to Abraham regarding the land of Israel . . .

However, there are no promises let to be fulfilled regarding the land Abraham promised.

So the entire premise of dispensationalism is fundamentally and irrevocalby flawed, making all that is built directly upon it flawed as well.

The Jewish believers were not promised heaven as a final place of abode.

This is not the teaching of the Christian faith!

There is one Gospel, there is one Kingdom, this has been established through scripture in this and other threads in the last 2 days.

Jesus came to make ONE NEW MAN of both Jew and Gentile IN HIS BODY.

Jesus did not come to take only part of His Body to heaven . . how silly!

There is not one Scripture that teaches that those saved under the Gospel of the Kingdom would go to heaven when they died.

You err not knowing the scriptures eph . . . just as the Jesus told the Sadducees.

The Kingdom of Heaven is NOT Heaven itself, but heaven brought down to EARTH.

It HAS been brought down to earth! It is the CHURCH and it is NOW!

The kingdom of heaven is in heaven and through the Church, on earth.

The greek word for heaven is used about 147 times in the four gospels, and is broken down into the following categories:

1. The Kingdom of Heaven - 33 times

2. God the Father in Heaven - 18 times

3. Treasures in Heaven -6 times

4. The actual heavens -90 times

These are not catagories eph . . these are simply ways the word heaven has been used to speak of heavenly thngs, and God.

This is the way the word "heaven" must be understood in the writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

So, one must understand that Treasures in heaven are in heaven, but the kingdom of heaven isn't?

Quite nonsensical eph . . VERY nonsensical!

The ONLY beings spoken of as going to heaven or being in heaven are the Lord Jesus and the angels.

Ummm . this is absolutely false eph. all believers will go to be with Him in heaven.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
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This is the hope of the Gospel.

Jesus is in heaven. That is a given, correct? You are not tryng to suggest Jesus isn't in heaven, are you?

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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If Jesus is in heaven, so will we be when we are absent from the body.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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If Jesus is in heaven, then when we are caught up to meet Him in the air, whe shall be with Him in heaven.

Everlasting life, promised to Jewish believers under the Gospel of the Kingdom, will be spent on the EARTH, beginning with the Millennium, which in turn will be replaced with the NEW earth of Revelation 21 and 22.

Of course, only certain segements of dispensationalism even believe this.

This is such a distorted view of the truth that it hardly deserves to be addressed.

one cannot live forever on an earth that doesn't last forever!

The 'treasure', 'reward', and 'names' written down in heaven are in relation to the Millennial Kingdom. When Christ comes back to reign, He will being His reward with Him. "And behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Rev. 22:12)

Simply more of your eisegesis .. reading into scripture what you want it to say rather than looking at it honestly with us.

Christianity = Paul

God sent both Peter and Paul to the Jews and Gentiles. They preached the same Gospel, the Gospel of God. They preached the same Kingdom, the Kingdom of Christ.

all this has been shown you from scriptures several times.

If Paul was Christian then so was Peter.

End of story.

The reason for the Gospel of the Grace of God is to prepare sinners, Jews and Gentiles, for HEAVEN itself!

Agreed.

Paul got a glimpse of the place where God dwells (2 Cor. 12:1-4). No wonder he wanted to depart and be with Christ, which is far BETTER (Phillippians 1:23). To die is gain. Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. (2 Cor. 5:8) OUr conversation (ie; citizenship) is in heaven (Philippians 3:20). "When Christ our life shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in Glory." (Col. 3:4)

So you admit we do go to heaven, contrary to your statement above.

All of Gods people in the Bible have everlasting life, but we are NOT all going to be spending eternity in the same place.

The distinctions you make are artificial and false. They do not exist!

The Body of Christ, God's one true Church in this Dispensation, has the highest position of all the redeemed in the Bible. We are seated together with Him IN THE HEAVENLIES (Eph. 2:6)

Praise the Lord!

Not just of the redeemed, but of all created beings . . we will be higher than the angels, as close to God as any created beings can come.


And, this Body of Christ is the ONE NEW MAN Christ came to make of Jew and Gentile . . . there is no separate body of Jews any more . . .

All are brought together eph, in Christ, in His body . . this has been shown to you before as well.


I am dissapointed you do not feel it is important enough to be intellectually honest with those engage with you in discussion, and actually deal with the contradictions to your position found in scripture and brought to your attention.

You spoke of willful ignorance . . . I would say that anyone who chooses to be other than intellectually honest with the facts, especially when those facts contradict one's position and this has been made known to them, is moving in that direction very firmly.


Peace