Sympathizing with a Killer

[EvangelicalChristian]

It does, polls have consistently shown that people favor abortion being legal in some or all circumstances when asked whether it should be legal all of the time, some of the time, or none of the time.

Don't overestimate the penetration of your own ideas.

Ah but the answers to those polls change significantly when you alter the definition of what "some of the time" means. It is more accurate to say that the majority favor abortion being legal only in cases in which the health of life of the mother is in serious jeopardy and in the cases or rape or incest. Of course this wouldn't be acceptable to either far end of the spectrum, and they make the most noise.

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

I only believe in jury nullification when the crime is victimless or the prosecution overzealous. I put premeditated murder in the same category as rape...I don't really care what the circumstance was, you do not plan and execute that crime and get away with it.

Define overzealous. Prosecutors are supposed to zealously prosecute criminals.

 

[mpok1519]

no; prosecuters are suppossed to examine the evidence and demonstrate how that evidence should be applied in a court of law.

zealousness has nothing to do with their jobs....well, on tv it does.

In real life, even a prosecutor can have doubts as to the guilt of the suspect.

A defense attorney, doesnt need zeal to defend their client; a defense attorney's only job is to make sure their client has a fair trial. Thats it. Thats their only job, and "getting them off the hook" has little to do with their job. (just incase y'were wonderin)

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

The unborn vs people who are already here....can't see the similarities. Especially when those unborn were doomed anyway.

Opinion and speculation. Which isn't really bad. But that you can't see the similarities between two human beings is just a matter of your opinion of what human life is. I know just as many highly educated men of Science (Biologists, Geneticists, Physician) who believe that a baby is human life at conception as I know those who don't. But this man would preform late term abortions most times asked. Not just in cases of developmentally challenged individuals, thus the "doomed" child, at least sometimes, isn't really doomed.

His murderer is still a murderer though.

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

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[EvangelicalChristian]

I never argued otherwise. Likewise, that which is illegal is not necessarily immoral.

Thus that which is legal is not necessarily moral.

You keeping saying that, but polls have consistently shown legal abortion is what the majority of the public wants. You can't satisfy both sides. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Call it tyranny of the majority if you will, but that's basically how business is done in a democratic society.

So the folks in California who wish to marry and currently are unable to should just accept that this is how business is done in a democratic society?

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

no; prosecuters are suppossed to examine the evidence and demonstrate how that evidence should be applied in a court of law.

zealousness has nothing to do with their jobs....well, on tv it does.

In real life, even a prosecutor can have doubts as to the guilt of the suspect.

A defense attorney, doesnt need zeal to defend their client; a defense attorney's only job is to make sure their client has a fair trial. Thats it. Thats their only job, and "getting them off the hook" has little to do with their job. (just incase y'were wonderin)

Actually I'm quite aware and I assure you that at least in the city in which I live (A top 15 in population) the prosecutors do indeed believe their job is to zealously prosecute criminals. Obviously in order to do that they must examine the evidence and be as sure as they possibly can that they have the actual criminal. But indeed zealousness is important to them.

I don't have the privilege of knowing as many defense attorneys as I do prosecutors thus I cannot speak to how they view their responsibilities.

 

[mpok1519]

well, sounds like they should go back to law school and remember that they're main goal is to remain objective; not zeal. Sure, zeal is important, but objectivity and examination are more important than just unadulterated fervor. Some prosecutors will zealously persue a suspect that has been wrongly charged, because the prosecution felt their job was to be zealous instead of actually doing their job and examine the evidence closer.

My mom was both a prosecutor and a defense attorney; and I am thinking about going into law school.

 

[quatona]

Really? So was the violence I used to extricate my son from the grasp of an unknown man who was trying to remove him from a bus, the last resort of an incompetent man?

Yes (with "incompetent" being the description of your reaction to the issue at hand, not a general description of your person).

I assure you my response was very violent.

I would kindly say that you are painting with a very broad brush my friend.

Thanks for your interest in my post and for giving me your opinion.

 

[EvangelicalChristian]

well, sounds like they should go back to law school and remember that they're main goal is to remain objective; not zeal. Sure, zeal is important, but objectivity and examination are more important than just unadulterated fervor. Some prosecutors will zealously persue a suspect that has been wrongly charged, because the prosecution felt their job was to be zealous instead of actually doing their job and examine the evidence closer.

Being zealous has nothing to do with a lack of objectivity. Zeal does not prevent a prosecutor from doing his/her job well. All that I have spoken to have told me that it actually requires them to be more objective. Their zeal is for the law and its proper practice, their zeal is to prosecute the guilty, not for convicting innocent persons.

My mom was both a prosecutor and a defense attorney; and I am thinking about going into law school.

Which is commendable of your mother and I pray you succeed but it isn't really relative to the discussion.

 

[mpok1519]

Being zealous has nothing to do with a lack of objectivity. Zeal does not prevent a prosecutor from doing his/her job well. All that I have spoken to have told me that it actually requires them to be more objective. Their zeal is for the law and its proper practice, their zeal is to prosecute the guilty, not for convicting innocent persons.

Zeal can blind one to objectivity easily; don't be so naive. The thing is, that very zeal works in the act of prosecution; notice how you said the prosecution of the guilty. There is no such thing as guilt during the prosecution. The suspect IS inocent until proven guilty. The facts, evidence, and objectivity will point to the truth, NOT how much a prosecuor would love to see someone go to jail and face their punishment. The facts and evidence will point towards the truth, not how much zeal a prosecutor has.

Which is commendable of your mother and I pray you succeed but it isn't really relative to the discussion.

Just tellin ya I know what I'm talking about. I wouldn't say I am an expert, but I am definately not a novice when it comes to the law.