LDS Symbols are Reminders

Rescued One · Jun 23, 2016

fatboys said:
That is what I'm responding to. Does God stop loving us if we fail to love him? Is the law he has given to us a to love our enemies a greater law than God can live by?

Does God love people he sends to outer darkness? If you think so, your god has a strange view of love.

fatboys · Jun 24, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
Does God love people he sends to outer darkness? If you think so, your god has a strange view of love.

So God quits loving them even though he commands us to love our enemies? So God can't obey his own law?

Rescued One · Jun 24, 2016

fatboys said:
So God quits loving them even though he commands us to love our enemies? So God can't obey his own law?

His commandment is given to man to love other humans. I've bever seen a verse Mormon or Christian that says God loves Satan or the sons of perdition.

fatboys · Jun 24, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
His commandment is given to man to love other humans. I've bever seen a verse Mormon or Christian that says God loves Satan or the sons of perdition.

So want your saying is that God requires more from us than what he has to live?

BigDaddy4 · Jun 24, 2016

fatboys said:
That is what I'm responding to. Does God stop loving us if we fail to love him? Is the law he has given to us a to love our enemies a greater law than God can live by?

See John 3:16, 1 John 4:19 and Ephesians 3:18, among others.

Rescued One · Jun 24, 2016

fatboys said:
So want your saying is that God requires more from us than what he has to live?

He won't make us live with evil doers for eternity! That's very loving and merciful because we, too, are sinners.

Rescued One · Jun 24, 2016

Romans 12:19-21King James Version (KJV)
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

fatboys, why do you find fault with God? We also deserve punishment, but for Christ's sake He has forgiven us.

fatboys · Jun 24, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
Does God love people he sends to outer darkness? If you think so, your god has a strange view of love.

He may not love the things that put them there but he still loves them. Perhaps the God you beleive in is incomplete

fatboys · Jun 24, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
He won't make us live with evil doers for eternity! That's very loving and merciful because we, too, are sinners.

I didn't say anything about living with them. I have a son in prison. Still love him.

Rescued One · Jun 24, 2016

fatboys said:
I didn't say anything about living with them. I have a son in prison. Still love him.

You are commanded to still love him."Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." (Romans 2:1) Who is without sin?

Romans 12
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

I believe God's word. If He doesn't love the workers of iniquity, that doesn't make Him incomplete. Do you think God loves Satan?

ToBeLoved · Jun 24, 2016

Alla27 said:
True.
But if house is NOT build upon the Rock it will fall.
Church of Christ is then build upon the Rock when Saints(members of this Church) do not fall away.
When they do fall away they are not building a house upon the Rock any more. They do NOT even have foundation - LIVING apostles of Christ.
Christian Church that was organized in the 3rd century was NOT built upon the ROCK and did NOT have a foundation - LIVING APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST.

So your church is built upon people. Not surprising.

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mmksparbud · Jun 24, 2016

Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Rom_9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

fatboys · Jun 25, 2016

BigDaddy4 said:
See John 3:16, 1 John 4:19 and Ephesians 3:18, among others.

Didn't answer the question

fatboys · Jun 25, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
You are commanded to still love him."Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." (Romans 2:1) Who is without sin?

Romans 12
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

I believe God's word. If He doesn't love the workers of iniquity, that doesn't make Him incomplete. Do you think God loves Satan?

That has nothing about hating them. Vengeance is another way of saying justice and justice is his

Rescued One · Jun 25, 2016

fatboys said:
That has nothing about hating them. Vengeance is another way of saying justice and justice is his

Vengeance:
infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge:

dictionary.com

ToBeLoved · Jun 25, 2016

fatboys said:
So want your saying is that God requires more from us than what he has to live?

God wants perfect justice. Only He can do and give that.

As far as the fallen angels their fate is already set. There is a lot that we do not know much about such as the war in heaven, so why would you judge God's ability to be righteous to His enemies? Can a perfect God be unrighteous?

That is one thing I see very different in us (Mormons & Christians). We know God is just and righteous and we trust in Him as He tells us that He cannot be anything but just, righteous and fair. That is a wonderful thing. You should try it, your doubt in Him is not good for your relationship with God.

You say that Jesus is perfect and righteous, but right here you are wondering if God is perfect and righteous. This is the situations I talk about. Where your own words show what you truly think.

ToBeLoved · Jun 25, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
Vengeance:
infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge:

dictionary.com

Ugh .... This is the stuff that makes my patience low.

mmksparbud · Jun 25, 2016

fatboys said:
That has nothing about hating them. Vengeance is another way of saying justice and justice is his

Vengeance and justice are not the same thing!! Vengeance and revenge are closer in meaning. Justice is ours to ask for--vengeance is God's.
noun
1.
the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness:
to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.
rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason:
to complain with justice.
3.
the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.
conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.
5.
the administering of deserved punishment or reward.
6.
the maintenance or administration of what is just by law, as by judicial or other proceedings:
a court of justice.
7.
judgment of persons or causes by judicial process:
to administer justice in a community.
8.
a judicial officer; a judge or magistrate.
9.
(initial capital letter). Also called Justice Department. the Department of Justice.

Revenge
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Revenge is a form of justice usually assumed to be enacted in the absence of the norms of formal law and jurisprudence. Often, revenge is defined as being a harmful action against a person or group in response to a grievance, be it real or perceived. It is used to right a wrong by going outside of the law. This is because the individual taking revenge feels as though the law will not do justice. Revenge is also known as payback, retribution, retaliation, vindictive or vengeance; it may be characterized as a form of justice (not to be confused with retributive justice), an altruistic action which enforces societal or moral justice aside from the legal system. Francis Bacon described it as a kind of "wild justice" that "does... offend the law [and] putteth the law out of office".[1] Primitive justice or retributive justice is often differentiated from more formal and refined forms of justice such as distributive justice and theological justice.

Justice is someone brakes your arm, their arm is broken---vengeance (revenge) is your arm is broken, you hunt them down, break both arms and legs.

Rescued One · Jun 25, 2016

Justice is someone brakes your arm, their arm is broken---vengeance (revenge) is your arm is broken, you hunt them down, break both arms and legs.

Yikes!

Rescued One · Jun 25, 2016

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