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How very Augustinian of you! Are you on the way to adopting Reformation Protestant sacramental doctrine? Addressing the "Capernaitic error"? Interesting...
Not sure if that is complimentary or not, I would guess, not.
I'm not sure who or what that is, I was just inspired to write that. I guess because I don't believe in magic.
I have no idea what you mean exactly, as I think we are both assuming the other guys knows what we're saying. My fault. I'm avoiding detail because of time contraints. The only thing I know is that the Gospels all agree on the days of the crucifixion and resurrection, so whether the Last Supper was a seder or not is the only difference, and there seems to be ways of reconciliation around but none seem overly conclusive. 1stC Judaism is such a puzzle sometimes.
Wouldn't the eating of the Passover mean the sacrifice?
It is one thing to "do this in remembrance" and it is quite another to imagine a magical change happens when you do eat it.
OK....I know this will be discarded by many with prejudices (because of the author) but this article makes interesting reading...
I actually think that people get even more confused when they get to John's timeline compared to the synoptics, but I think John may actually be harmonized with the synoptics when one understands that there are two days of preparation in the story- one for Pesach and one for shabbos.
Years ago I reconciled all of this to my satisfaction....but do you think I can remember now?
I read the article and was surprised that it never touched on the time, the 3 days and 3 nights, that Yeshua, Himself spoke of. The fact that He stated the amount of time in the tomb makes it kind of important, don't you think? I'm not one of the ones that require exactly 72 hours to the second, but the timing should be extremely close to what would amount to 3 days and 3 nights between burial and resurrection.
A no brainer for me. Whatever He says, I take and accept. If He says it's His Body, then it is. End of discussion. If the Creator says something, then it is what it is. Any attempt to change the words by interpretation is to do violence to those words. I'd rather protect the words of Jesus than re-interpret them to suit my mere human logic. Let's also not forget that He is our Passover Lamb - and that lamb, according to the Law, must be eaten. On this point alone there words "this is my Body, this is my Blood" should be self evident as being more than a mere symbol.
Let's also not forget that the Greek word for remembrance is anamnesis- which is not remembrance in the sense of remembering a holiday or a birthday or where you put your car keys, but in the sense of a re-participation. Thus, at Pesach (Passover), we re-participate in the Exodus. So, for the disciple of Jesus, we don't merely remember the crucifixion of Jesus but participate in it, completely partaking in our Passover Lamb.
I totally, 100% agree with you on this.How very Augustinian of you! Are you on the way to adopting Reformation Protestant sacramental doctrine? Addressing the "Capernaitic error"? Interesting...
Maybe a better translation would have been "the day of Unleavened Bread approached" or "was at hand."In Luke 22 the text says...
1- The day of Unleavened Bread came
2- then Jesus said go make preparations for us to eat the Passover
How can you eat the Passover on the day of Unleavened Bread when the Passover had already passed?
No magic involved. Do you have a problem believing the Holy Spirit deposited a child into a young virgin's womb?Not sure if that is complimentary or not, I would guess, not.
I'm not sure who or what that is, I was just inspired to write that. I guess because I don't believe in magic.
Life is in the blood. Period.It is one thing to "do this in remembrance" and it is quite another to imagine a magical change happens when you do eat it.
I don't know of many Messianics that do.I totally, 100% agree with you on this.
I had a very similar debate on "another forum" and was banned/suspended for not agreeing with the Reform views of Admin.
I personally agree with "real presence" or maybe even what Catholics call "transubstantiation."
I was speaking of the turning bread and wine into flesh and blood.No magic involved. Do you have a problem believing the Holy Spirit deposited a child into a young virgin's womb?
We don't know the "how" of it...we just know it happened.
Life is in the blood. Period.
I simply trust in what Yeshua said...."you must drink my blood and eat my flesh." Not "you must symbolically drink my blood and eat my flesh."Yes, and like in the Torah, when sacrifice occurs the blood is to be poured out into the earth. It is not to be drunk.
If you are not to drink the blood of any animal, how much moreso that of the son of the Living G-d?
I don't know many Messianics that agree with me either, but it's what I, personally, believe to be true - from my reading of the Word. Not based on any denomination's doctrine.I don't know of many Messianics that do.
I was speaking of the turning bread and wine into flesh and blood.
No magic, but timing happened with Isaac's' birth.
Nope not every bit of it. Not the blood, G-d never tells us to eat or drink blood. And they did not have to eat all of it, what they didn't eat they were to burn before morning.I simply trust in what Yeshua said...."you must drink my blood and eat my flesh." Not "you must symbolically drink my blood and eat my flesh."
Did the Hebrews in Egypt symbolically eat the Seder lamb?
No...they at it all....every bit of it.
CF hiccup~!
Well, wonder what you were thinking when you got dressed today?
This looks like a wild Lulav I haven't seen before.
Kinda got that hippy look to you, I like it!
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