Sydney Powell agrees to testify against Trump

[dwb001]

Because there are a lot of extreme Trump cultists out there...

I see a large group of people being attacked by police.
What do you see?

The guy in the red jacket look really violent.
And one single person throwing a flag. Prosecute that person... but the people who were waved in by the police should not be bothered.

 

[The Barbarian]

I dunno..."Two Corinthians" sounds like the title of ancient version of "The Odd Couple", or like St. Paul directed his epistle to two specific Corinthian people, like "As our master and father St. Paul said to two Corinthians, 'Hey, Zacchaeus and Alexandros, knock it off.' The word of the Lord..."

That was perhaps understandable for a guy who never goes to church. But I think the more telling incident was when he told a reporter how much he reads the Bible, and then when asked for a favorite verse, couldn't name one.

 

[The Barbarian]

I see a large group of people being attacked by police.
What do you see?

So far, juries have called it an insurrection, assault, breaking and entering, etc..

As of Sept. this year, about 380 insurrectionists sentenced.

 

[dwb001]

So far, juries have called it an insurrection, assault, breaking and entering, etc..

I didn't ask that.

As of Sept. this year, about 380 insurrectionists sentenced.

Protesters. 1st amendment activists at most.

 

[The Barbarian]

I dunno..."Two Corinthians" sounds like the title of ancient version of "The Odd Couple",

Hmmm...
"Two Corinthians walk into a bar..."

 

[The Barbarian]

I didn't ask that.

But law enforcement paid attention to it. And no, "I was just obeying Dear Leader" didn't work as a defense.

1st amendment activists at most.

Turns out felonies don't come under "protected speech." Sorry about that.

 

[stevil]

She see's people getting sentenced for 20 years just for protesting a rigged election.

LOL. Guess who exclusively watches right wing opinion shows.

 

[dwb001]

But law enforcement paid attention to it. And no, "I was just obeying Dear Leader" didn't work as a defense.

There was nothing to obey.

Turns out felonies don't come under "protected speech." Sorry about that.

So prosecute those who broke a law... but those who just went for a walk in the Capital don't need any punishment.

 

[dzheremi]

So you didn't read.
Trump supporters know how Trump haters see them.
So to mock the Trump haters they make the very images you are complaining about.
It is a trap.
You are in a trap.
You don't see it as a trap but it is a trap.

Speaking a resident 'Trump-hater' (though I don't hate him as a person; I don't like him, either, but I probably wouldn't care about him either way if he weren't the head of a huge personality cult that threatens the continuing functioning of democracy in my country), I think this is more about the MAGA movement's conception of itself as poor, put-upon, truth-knowing patriots who are picked on by the 'liberal' media and their own 'liberal' friends and family who just don't want to hear the constant stream of lies and paranoia about the 2020 election, Covid vaccines, Pizzagate, Budweiser and library books turning kids gay/trans, and all the other wackiness that is at the nexus of modern GOP conservatism (which is essentially Trumpism with thankfully a few stragglers who prevent the complete takeover of the GOP, as we see in the continued inability of House Republicans to govern because there's an internal war going on over who should represent them) and MAGA/Q-Anon/Trumpist nonsense when they're trying to do everyday, innocuous things like have dinner over the holidays, post something bland on Facebook, or any of the million other activities that may cause the most hardcore Trumpists to see a conspiracy afoot.

To be more blunt it: People don't hate you just because they want you to shut up so that they can go about their lives in a country that is not being torn apart by the unreality embraced by the most hardcore MAGA people. That's like saying people "hated" those involved in the Rajneeshi debacle back in the 1980s. That's inaccurate. A lot of those people were relatively normal before they met this grifting 'guru' who fried their brains and turned them into dangerous, gun-toting zombies hellbent on taking over the swath of Oregon in which they had settled. How are people supposed to react when their relatives and friends go crazy with political fervor for an authoritarian figurehead, to the point of attending rallies with guns and attempting to overthrow the government over results of an election they don't like? "Gee, that's fine; I guess they just have a different political opinion or worldview than I do"? No. When that sort of thing happens in any other country, the USA is the first to decry it as a manifestation of dictatorship and evidence of the weak foundations of that nation's civil society. Making that determination is not hatred against people.

 

[The Barbarian]

There was nothing to obey.

Other than the laws protecting the Capitol and Congress. That's why nearly 400 of the cultists are now in prison or going there shortly. And many of the insurrectionists openly admitted that they were following Donald Trump's orders.

So prosecute those who broke a law...

Be patient. There were a lot of cultists that day. They are being tracked down and brought to justice. Takes time.

but those who just went for a walk in the Capital don't need any punishment.

I did that recently. No one arrested me. Guess why.

 

[dwb001]

Speaking a resident 'Trump-hater' (though I don't hate him as a person; I don't like him, either, but I probably wouldn't care about him either way if he weren't the head of a huge personality cult that threatens the continuing functioning of democracy in my country), I think this is more about the MAGA movement's conception of itself as poor, put-upon, truth-knowing patriots who are picked on by the 'liberal' media and their own 'liberal' friends and family who just don't want to hear the constant stream of lies and paranoia about the 2020 election, Covid vaccines, Pizzagate, Budweiser and library books turning kids gay/trans, and all the other wackiness that is at the nexus of modern GOP conservatism (which is essentially Trumpism with thankfully a few stragglers who prevent the complete takeover of the GOP, as we see in the continued inability of House Republicans to govern because there's an internal war going on over who should represent them) and MAGA/Q-Anon/Trumpist nonsense when they're trying to do everyday, innocuous things like have dinner over the holidays, post something bland on Facebook, or any of the million other activities that may cause the most hardcore Trumpists to see a conspiracy afoot.

To be more blunt it: People don't hate you just because they want you to shut up so that they can go about their lives in a country that is not being torn apart by the unreality embraced by the most hardcore MAGA people. That's like saying people "hated" those involved in the Rajneeshi debacle back in the 1980s. That's inaccurate. A lot of those people were relatively normal before they met this grifting 'guru' who fried their brains and turned them into dangerous, gun-toting zombies hellbent on taking over the swath of Oregon in which they had settled. How are people supposed to react when their relatives and friends go crazy with political fervor for an authoritarian figurehead, to the point of attending rallies with guns and attempting to overthrow the government over results of an election they don't like? "Gee, that's fine; I guess they just have a different political opinion or worldview than I do"? No. When that sort of thing happens in any other country, the USA is the first to decry it as a manifestation of dictatorship and evidence of the weak foundations of that nation's civil society. Making that determination is not hatred against people.

TL DR

Tighten up the language and try using more line breaks.

 

[The Barbarian]

How are people supposed to react when their relatives and friends go crazy with political fervor for an authoritarian figurehead, to the point of attending rallies with guns and attempting to overthrow the government over results of an election they don't like? "Gee, that's fine; I guess they just have a different political opinion or worldview than I do"? No. When that sort of thing happens in any other country, the USA is the first to decry it as a manifestation of dictatorship and evidence of the weak foundations of that nation's civil society. Making that determination is not hatred against people.

Today's winner.

 

[The Barbarian]

Or the left redirecting flabby MAGA memes...
DARK BRANDON CANNOT BE STOPPED

 

[dzheremi]

TL DR

Tighten up the language and try using more line breaks.

TRUMP PERSONALITY CULT BAD.

PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR TRUMP JUST PEOPLE.

PROBLEM IS TRUMP PERSONALITY CULT.

PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR TRUMP STOP PERSONALLY IDENTIFYING WITH TRUMP PERSONALITY CULT.

NO MORE ATTEMPTED COUPS? COOL. KEEP VOTING GOP.

 

[dwb001]

TRUMP PERSONALITY CULT BAD.

PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR TRUMP JUST PEOPLE.

PROBLEM IS TRUMP PERSONALITY CULT.

PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR TRUMP STOP PERSONALLY IDENTIFYING WITH TRUMP PERSONALITY CULT.

NO MORE ATTEMPTED COUPS? COOL. KEEP VOTING GOP.

Please do not shout.
That is just rude and impolite.
Try to avoid sentence fragments.

 

[dzheremi]

 

[dwb001]

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Also in your abridged version... you did not convey much meaning... did you have a point?

 

[stevil]

It's awkward when liars testify. Should people believe the stuff liars have said before court? Or should we believe them on the witness stand under oath? Or can we even give anything they utter any credibility whatsoever?

There is no law against lying.

The best way (I think) in looking at people is not whether they are liars or not (everyone lies from time to time). But instead, whether they are law abiding.

What they say in front of the cameras should be taken with much skepticism. What they say in front of the judge, they can be punished for if it is a lie.
For example Rudy Guliani did a massive tv and roadshow after the election, telling Trump's base that there was massive voter fraud, with heaps of evidence and showing CCTV footage and giving his narration. Then when infront of the judges at the actual court case
"Under questioning from a federal judge in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, Mr. Giuliani made a different admission: “This is not a fraud case,” he said."

Giuliani in Public: ‘It’s a Fraud.’ Giuliani in Court: ‘This Is Not a Fraud Case.’ (Published 2020)

Keep an eye on what President Trump’s lawyers say about supposed voter fraud while they’re in an actual courtroom.

www.nytimes.com

 

[stevil]

The people that, in the aftermath of the 2020 election where crying "Fraud", "Stolen election" etc. Are not actually concerned at all by voter fraud or stolen elections. They just want the Republican party to win the election by whatever means possible.

None of those people who are now seeing these court cases move forward about the efforts of the Republicans to steal the 2020 election, and seeing now these people plead guilty to these crimes (Sydney Powell, Kenneth Chesbro) and also Rudy Guliani who admitted making false statements about those two innocent election workers in Georgia.

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But none of those people crying out about fraud and stolen election are seeking justices against Sydney Powell, Kenneth Chesbro or Rudy, none of them are seeking justice against the fake electors, or the ex-president. They don't care about law, and justice, they don't care about fraud, or stolen elections, they just want their favourite politicians to win the election at all costs, by any means.

 

[rambot]

Yep... glad we are not doing that here.

Self reflection is tough.

You have interviewed the creator? What is the expressly stated purpose of the statue?

I read the news story.

Don't be stupid... I know you are better than that.

1) You don't really know me very well cause I've been away since you've started to post here with some regularity. I'm certainly not stupid. You can argue it's not a funny joke but are you also going to argue that the statue is NOT garish?

I don't... Maybe you should look closer.

Is "I know what you are but what am I" your go to?

What point am I making?
If I pause, offer a silent prayer, kiss my fingers and place those fingers on the lips of a gravestone... am I not preforming an act of worship-fullness?

Of course that is all 100% irrelevant to any picture that we are talking about and therefore our discussion.

But I'll bite: Nope. Not exclusively or not really. Could just be fondness, regret, sadness, reverence, respect, tribute. Actually yeah, I'm not convinced it would be worshipfulness. But I would never display worshipfulness of ANY type to any person on this planet so maybe my perceptions are different from yours.

I am trying to talk as if we are both intelligent people here.

Your taking a chance I guess.

I sense that you are just attacking those that you see as not agreeing with you or offering an alternative interpretation.

But see, here's the thing. Not all "alternative interpretations" are deserving of thoughtful engagement; SOME people (not saying who) have a habit of just offering up some nonsense tripe and try to hold it up as a "plausible alternative" when it is nothing of the sort.

There is a certain amount of quality (or basis in logic) that an interpretation should have. Simply offering "but what if", especially if your best argument is simply "it's just an alternative interpretation"

to be clear, I'm attacking a poor interpretation.

Until you have a video of actual worship with explanations... you only have a perception of what is happening.
Try digging deeper for facts.

Trump employs plenty of strategies used by cult leaders.

Is Trumpism a cult?

But maybe the former cult member who has a phD on the topic tripped on his shoe laces when he went to meet trump and he now just has a vendetta against the man.
Who knows?