Swingers - Swapping Partners

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Nadiine

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Hi Sunlover!!
great post & scriptures.
It's real clear that we ARE our 'brother's/sister's keepers'.

Eph 5:11
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness,
but instead even expose them;


Do we leave known predators & open sin flaunted in God's name?
God help the victims in such a church.

I continue that UNTIL WE VIEW SIN AS THE
DEPRAVITY, HARM & BONDAGE THAT IT IS,
WE WON'T ACT CORRECTLY WHERE ITS CONCERNED.

That means we'll practice it becuz we enjoy it, and we won't
protect potential victims becuz we cannot see (or, worse,
we're too apathetic) how harmful
and dangerous it actually is in the spiritual or physical realm.
 
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so um, you're saying that because David did it we can? no, i don't think so. Jesus was a descendant of David yes, but just the fact that He was a descendant of any human means that there is sin in His ancestry. plus, God promised David that the Messiah would be a descendant of his before he committed that sin against Uriah.
 
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If "Christians" in this forum can justify homosexual sex, polygamy, premarital sex and all the other things that God's word says are sin, then I guess it should come as no surprise that a group of "Christians" think it's okay to swap partners.

6But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate Rev. 2:6
 
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so um, you're saying that because David did it we can?

No. If you read my post you will note that is NOT what I said.

Please backtrack a little to my post #60 where I noted ... I'm reminded of that passage somewhere that says something to the effect that whosoever looks at another in that certain way has already committed adultery. Hands up those who can plead innocent to this charge.

Apparently, there are those who have not considered this little alteration to the rules by Jesus. Those who are so willing to condemn others for certain behaviour are guilty of those same behaviour in their heart. Yet there are any number of Christians willing to throw the first stone.

Thus my next comment at post #75 ... Ah, Yes - I see a number of hands in the air. Thank you, but I don't happen to share your confidence.

... which I note you have ignored.

For those so willing to condemn my reference to David was an attempt to bring to their attention that the great heroes in the Bible all too often demonstrated behaviour which we could easily condemn. Yet God chose to use these people.

Perhaps you too are a thrower of stones.
 
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Hi ChingChang
While I see the Bible and history much as you do. I'm going to let you know that when you have read as many of Nadiine's posts as I have, you will find that she has studied the Bible as much as we have.
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There's a huge difference in what King David has done and these "party animals" are doing! David had remorse and repented and was given right standing before His God.

Swingers don't repent. They love their disgusting behaviour, and try to enlist others in it.


 
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Hi ChingChang
While I see the Bible and history much as you do. I'm going to let you know that when you have read as many of Nadiine's posts as I have, you will find that she has studied the Bible as much as we have.
dayhiker


Indeed dayhiker. It would be hard to find someone as knowledgeable about Scripture and as studious as Nadine.
 
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Don't you just LOVE how people try to use the OT when they
think it suits their sin...

but when we use the OT to prove sin, all of a sudden the OT Laws are yanked out just to show us how obsolete & out of touch the OT is when it condemns the sins some are trying to condone.

lol
So essentially, the OT only is only adequate by several here to 'legalize' moral sins;
When it condemns sin, it's time to expose all those harsh
civil & ceremonial laws to prove it's outdated & we
aren't under any of it anymore.

But if it's outdated, then so are the 'lawful' sins God allowed them.
Like divorce that Jesus set them straight on - that they were still
committing adultery when remarrying.
Why wouldn't the same apply to polygamy or any other moral acts.
?
People want to have it both ways, but it doesn't work -
and it especially won't work at judgment standing before God
to give account.
 
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Ummm---I'm stunned by this post. Swinging does violate the 10 commandments.

GOD talking:

Exodus 20:14
"You must not commit adultery..."


Exodus 20:17
“You must not covet your neighbor’s house. You must not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor.”


Deuteronomy 5:18
“You must not commit adultery."


Deuteronomy 5:21
“You must not covet your neighbor’s wife. You must not covet your neighbor’s house or land, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor..."
 
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This just is simply sad.

Why don't they just admit that they aren't going to control their sexual urges and that they are going to go and sin?

What's next the Christian thieves guild?
Christian Assassins of America Local 213?
Christian Blasphemers?
 
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This just is simply sad.

Why don't they just admit that they aren't going to control their sexual urges and that they are going to go and sin?

What's next the Christian thieves guild?
Christian Assassins of America Local 213?
Christian Blasphemers?
Well that's just it -

They aren't repenting, it's boldly claiming they're
Christian ___fill in the sin___ .
It's to tie Christianity WITH the sin, not just commit a
random sin out of weakness.
Big big difference.

Whatever, they can think they get away with it for now,
but when they meet God they'll get a rude awakening.
 
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It is the definition of adultery that is the issue. If you've read my posts you'd know that I don't argue that adultery is a sin...that much is obvious. It is the definition of adultery that is the issue here. You assume that swingers are adulterous based on your (and modern-day society's) definition of adultery. The question is...when God delivered the law what was the definition of 'adultery'? Definitions of words change with cultures. You shouldn't be "stunned" by my posts...instead you should offer proof that 'adultery' meant the same thing then (when the law was given) as it does now. This is important because God does not change...right? So what did not violate God's law (nature...which is love) then can not violate his law now.

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David had remorse and repented after he committed adultery...which was the taking of another man's property (stealing) without the consent of the property owner. David felt no remorse (that we know of from the Bible) with regard to having sex with his MANY wives, concubines and slaves-girls. I'm not saying that we should all go out and do that...I'm just saying that God heaped blessings on David at that time and actually gave him all those women to do with what he pleased. David did not sin until he stole another man's property (committed adultery) without that man's consent. If you can't admit that much then you have not "ears to hear".

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If you must argue the meaning of such a self-explanatory word, then you must do so with God. I can't help you. Everyone else knows what it means. It has not changed in meaning since the beginning.
 
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David repented of his concubines as far as I know, and kept only to his wife, Bathsheba.
 
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Knowing what the Bible says does not equate to studying. Anybody can memorize scripture, read the Bible and cut/paste scripture and say "see...right here...this is what it says." Is the Bible really being understood? If it was that easy...Jesus would not have repeatedly said "he who hath ears to hear let him hear". You see...I like others on this thread know what the Bible says. But...it is our understanding of what it means that is at odds. I used to be a conservative/evangelical Bible literalists...focusing on the trees...but now I can see the forest. They live by the letter of the law...instead of the law of love (which Yeshua taught).

I will retire from this thread now. You all win...you have successfully held-off the end-times false teacher who just wants to justify sin and teach heresy!!!

Pah-lease.

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Hi ChingChang
While I see the Bible and history much as you do. I'm going to let you know that when you have read as many of Nadiine's posts as I have, you will find that she has studied the Bible as much as we have.
dayhiker
 
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