Swine flu..... and the end times

[Hockey_Fan]

Well, we only have like 100 swine flu threads on CF, so here's another one:

OK, so is the crisis that David Wilkerson predicted last month?

Is it what Joe Biden warned of during the presidential election?

Is it a cover to round us up and quarantine us in FEMA camps?

It is a sign of the end times?

Are Christians more or less likely to be infected than others?

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Well, we only have like 100 swine flu threads on CF, so here's another one:

OK, so is the crisis that David Wilkerson predicted last month?

Is it what Joe Biden warned of during the presidential election?

Is it a cover to round us up and quarantine us in FEMA camps?

It is a sign of the end times?

Are Christians more or less likely to be infected than others?

In a word.. Yes.
But it's looking like Mexicans are getting hit worse.. it seems to be less virulent when it gets out from Mexico. As i posted also.. Steve Quayle predicted it more specific.. a hit on Mexico in April to stir up the conditions to cause them to be able to impose martial law. But they need a few other things.. or perhaps not, we'll have to wait and see..
There's another thing.. Tamiflu was manufactured by one of Bush's buddy's.. it's an anti-viral and not proved to be any good.. they make loads of money out of Tamiflu.. all over the world, so they are probably rubbing their hands together in glee at the moment.

 

[Cabal]

Well, we only have like 100 swine flu threads on CF, so here's another one:

OK, so is the crisis that David Wilkerson predicted last month?

Is it what Joe Biden warned of during the presidential election?

Is it a cover to round us up and quarantine us in FEMA camps?

It is a sign of the end times?

Are Christians more or less likely to be infected than others?

Erm, in a word, NO.

This thing is easily treatable, and avoidable. Unless Christians have a tendency to have people sneeze in their face more or something.

 

[BelindaP]

Oh, yawn. People thought the 1918 pandemic was the end of times, too. Seems we survived that one.

 

[Cabal]

Oh, yawn. People thought the 1918 pandemic was the end of times, too. Seems we survived that one.

Indeed, and I suspect this one is barely going to kill a fraction of the number the Spanish flu did. It's SARS all over again....

 

[BelindaP]

I think this one has potential to go worldwide--especially given that it is in a few countries already. However, it isn't anywhere near as lethal as the 1918 and seems to be moderating as it spreads. Wash your hands, take vitamin C and do whatever it is you do during flu season every year.

 

[mattman59]

Erm, in a word, NO.

This thing is easily treatable, and avoidable. Unless Christians have a tendency to have people sneeze in their face more or something.

This morning I read that Mexico is now confirming 150+ fatal cases, their 1st world neighbor to the north has reported 50 or so cases....none of which are fatal. I mean no one is screaming about polio being an epidemic and FAR more people die of that in 3rd world countries (spurred on by religious leaders to not take the immunization). Heck more people die in the US of "regular flu" every year than have died of swine flu.

This is yet another example of Americans being generally uneducated and the media preying on that to make people watch "Stay tuned to find out what could be killing your kids, DUNNA NAAAAAAA". Look at terrorism for example. Only like 100,000 times more people die every year from smoking and drinking than by terrorism but we are more than happy to invade 2 sovereign nations, torture people and trample out constitution based on fear.

Sadly we Americans are a very dumb bunch and that stupid is only compounded when you have people seeing every event that takes place as a sign of the end times.

 

[gracechick]

I remember someone quoting verses about we will become ill through the beasts of the field. So far we have seen bird flu and now swine flu and I believe technology should be added.
We have no earthly idea how many chemicals are in the beef, poultry and fish we eat not to mention illnesses of the earth. I keep telling my dad I want some beef that I know is carefully tended and is grass finished.

*If you have a weak stomach don't read this, but have you wondered how all this meat can be supplied that quickly. I eat very few hamburgers from them now as I feel sick thinking of what I read.

But I read on a huge natural health site about the fast food beef that is eaten. These poor beasts are shot up with everything imaginable and live in feed lots almost their whole lives. And they are usually in very sad shape.
Followed by that are the horrible conditions inside the plants where many workers are immigrants and paid low wages for very long hours. And we can only imagine what goes on there as my father once worked for the government checking plants...shivers.

 

[Cabal]

This morning I read that Mexico is now confirming 150+ fatal cases, their 1st world neighbor to the north has reported 50 or so cases....none of which are fatal. I mean no one is screaming about polio being an epidemic and FAR more people die of that in 3rd world countries (spurred on by religious leaders to not take the immunization). Heck more people die in the US of "regular flu" every year than have died of swine flu.

Right, exactly. And as far as I know, they've only proved fatal if left untreated for aaaaaages. Besides, it's not that difficult to avoid if you act smart - same as any other flu.

This is yet another example of Americans being generally uneducated and the media preying on that to make people watch "Stay tuned to find out what could be killing your kids, DUNNA NAAAAAAA". Look at terrorism for example. Only like 100,000 times more people die every year from smoking and drinking than by terrorism but we are more than happy to invade 2 sovereign nations, torture people and trample out constitution based on fear.

I agree, the media really isn't helping on this one, but thankfully there's enough information being put out there to read between the lines. I think it's good to be vigilant in case this does run the risk of turning into something bad, but it doesn't help when people will use the information to turn into a headless-chicken at the drop of a hat.

Sadly we Americans are a very dumb bunch and that stupid is only compounded when you have people seeing every event that takes place as a sign of the end times.

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[Cabal]

I remember someone quoting verses about we will become ill through the beasts of the field. So far we have seen bird flu and now swine flu and I believe technology should be added.
We have no earthly idea how many chemicals are in the beef, poultry and fish we eat not to mention illnesses of the earth. I keep telling my dad I want some beef that I know is carefully tended and is grass finished.

*If you have a weak stomach don't read this, but have you wondered how all this meat can be supplied that quickly. I eat very few hamburgers from them now as I feel sick thinking of what I read.

But I read on a huge natural health site about the fast food beef that is eaten. These poor beasts are shot up with everything imaginable and live in feed lots almost their whole lives. And they are usually in very sad shape.
Followed by that are the horrible conditions inside the plants where many workers are immigrants and paid low wages for very long hours. And we can only imagine what goes on there as my father once worked for the government checking plants...shivers.

Eh, I guess, but the "organic" food lines have got their own skeletons in their closet also. And it's not like the chemical enhancers are just being thrown in for fun, they're used to solve specific problems that we'd be having to deal with otherwise.

While it's possible that this strain may have been influenced by these chemicals - it's from a poor farm in Mexico, I doubt they can afford them; and it's H1N1 - it's EVERYWHERE, and it mutates so often it doesn't really need encouragement.

 

[mattman59]

Well, we only have like 100 swine flu threads on CF, so here's another one:

OK, so is the crisis that David Wilkerson predicted last month?

How come no human on earth can predict the future with any degree of accuracy in scientifically observable conditions? Also what kind of prediction is "bad stuff will happen in the future"? Lets try this, I am getting a vision from Jesus right now, he is telling me that before this day is done, you, Hockey_Fan will go to the bathroom AT LEAST once".

Am I a prophet now?

Is it what Joe Biden warned of during the presidential election?

Again with the amount of evil America has done to other nations in our history the idea that "something bad will happen in the future" is a fairly safe bet.

Is it a cover to round us up and quarantine us in FEMA camps?

Seeing as how the WHO just came out and said containment is not an option at this point I would say no. There is also the little detail about the "FEMA camps" being a massive pile of crap unloaded and gobbled up by the feeble minded. Glen Beck doesn't even buy this stuff man, come on!!!!

Not to mention the fact that swine flu ain't nothing on stuff like Ebola Restin. If you have something like a hemorrhagic fevor with a high mortality rate (say 70%), is easily communicable (not even airborne, just requiring human to human contact) and with a reasonably long incubation period (maybe 2 weeks after you are infected you start showing symptoms and then die within another 2 weeks), you would be BEGGING the government to quarintene people. If you are have a strong stomach go read what stuff like ebola does and look at some pictures.

While I am a pretty big libertarian/constitutionalist this is the one area where government NEEDS the authority to restrict movement by all means nessisary. As much as it pains me to say this, your freedom is not worth the lives on an entire city.

It is a sign of the end times?

You do realize that literally from like 20 minutes after Jesus left people have been saying this right? If all of Christian dogma is real (remember quite a bit of it has been added and taken away over the years) and the bible really was divinely inspired by the creator of the entire universe, doesn't it stand to reason that he would just come out and say "this will happen, this will happen, then this happens and the lights go out"? Why would the being who knows everything that has ever or will ever happen and can do anything require such mental gymnastics when reading his work?

Are Christians more or less likely to be infected than others?

Do Christians have some sort of magical anti-viral immunity or something? This statement is absurd to the Nth degree.

 

[mattman59]

I remember someone quoting verses about we will become ill through the beasts of the field. So far we have seen bird flu and now swine flu and I believe technology should be added.
We have no earthly idea how many chemicals are in the beef, poultry and fish we eat not to mention illnesses of the earth. I keep telling my dad I want some beef that I know is carefully tended and is grass finished.

You do realize that people are just animals right? The fact that a virus can jump species is a great example of evolution and natural selection in action. Some of those many chemicals being put into livestock are antibiotics. They are given to alllllllllllllllllllllllll animals "just in case" and for some unknown reason they actually make cattle grow bigger.

Again evolution takes over and the antibiotic resistant bacteria survive and reproduce a new generation and then so on ad infinitum. The problem is that we have already almost exhausted our "first tier" of antibiotics and we are seeing cases in humans where even our "big guns" (the antibiotics where a side effect is death) are proving less and less effective.

I am lucky enough to live in Texas and know a rancher so my dad and I both have freezers full of all different cuts of beef that we know for sure is 100% grass fed and drug free.

*If you have a weak stomach don't read this, but have you wondered how all this meat can be supplied that quickly. I eat very few hamburgers from them now as I feel sick thinking of what I read.

But I read on a huge natural health site about the fast food beef that is eaten. These poor beasts are shot up with everything imaginable and live in feed lots almost their whole lives. And they are usually in very sad shape.
Followed by that are the horrible conditions inside the plants where many workers are immigrants and paid low wages for very long hours. And we can only imagine what goes on there as my father once worked for the government checking plants...shivers.

The USDA has some pretty high standards and they tend to monitor fairly well. If I remember corectly most beef in the US is irradiated to make is sterile. Fruits and veggies are what you need to worry about with migrant workers simply because people from 3rd world countries don't always have the best hygine practices and they also tend to be resistant to stuff that would land you or I in the bathroom for a couple of days.

The best thing to do is to cut as much beef as possible our of your diet. Our evolution is still catching up to our diet, the idea of meat at every single meal and having 3 consistant meals a day is really a new concept in the animal world.

 

[mattman59]

Eh, I guess, but the "organic" food lines have got their own skeletons in their closet also. And it's not like the chemical enhancers are just being thrown in for fun, they're used to solve specific problems that we'd be having to deal with otherwise.

While it's possible that this strain may have been influenced by these chemicals - it's from a poor farm in Mexico, I doubt they can afford them; and it's H1N1 - it's EVERYWHERE, and it mutates so often it doesn't really need encouragement.

Just like H5N1, had nothing to do with the evils of modern industrial farming but from subsistence farmers in southeast Asia living in extremely close proximity to poultry (as in sharing the hut with chickens).

 

[gracechick]

But you must realise even if meat inspectors are doing their job the pressure is immense. My father did his best and was constantly called on the carpet for the fact that the line was closed down to correct health concerns. He hated that plant, but later found a better position.
I havn't researched it, but there is so much in animal feed. Can you honestly say most people know what is in their petfood much less what's on their table? Traces of dead animals have even been found in crayons.

The word for the day is caution, caution and caution. As I see you are already are wisely following that line of thinking.

 

[mattman59]

But you must realise even if meat inspectors are doing their job the pressure is immense. My father did his best and was constantly called on the carpet for the fact that the line was closed down to correct health concerns. He hated that plant, but later found a better position.

How long has your dad been out of the business. Computers have brought the meat packing industry a long way.

I havn't researched it, but there is so much in animal feed. Can you honestly say most people know what is in their petfood much less what's on their table? Traces of dead animals have even been found in crayons.

As a skeptic, chef and someone interested in nutrition I know what is in mine. Most dog food is filled with cereal grains that didn't make the cut for human consumption, cat food on the other hand has what seafood vendors couldn't sell at the end of the week. Of course this is funny because both dogs and cats are not cattle and have always had a mostly meat diet. I feed my dogs meat scraps and cheaper cuts of occasion and spice up their food with some of my homemade stocks.

Livestock feed is a crapchute and only within the past couple of decades was the practice of feeding cattle ground up cattle stopped (see "mad cow disease"). I know a lot of feed lots put cattle on a mostly corn diet which is great for making the very fat and unhealthy and will actually kill them if they are left on it. But corn is (well, at least was) the cheapest way to feed and fatten cattle and lower cost + fat cattle = bigger profits.

The word for the day is caution, caution and caution. As I see you are already are wisely following that line of thinking.

Yup, our food distibution system in the US has to be one of the worst in the world. I actually am slowly stepping up my veggie garden and I only use stuff I get locally. That means lots of compost, worm castings and manure.

 

[Cabal]

That means lots of compost, worm castings and manure.

Can you buy worm castings separately now? Never heard of that before.

 

[DD2008]

A school in my neighborhood was closed down due to confirmed swine flu, and our town is on alert to get medical attention if we get flu like symptoms. So, if I get it I'll let you know what it's like.

 

[mattman59]

A school in my neighborhood was closed down due to confirmed swine flu, and our town is on alert to get medical attention if we get flu like symptoms. So, if I get it I'll let you know what it's like.

I am in your area and a woman I work with is showing all the symptoms. 3 confirmed cases here and the fact that I am not at all scared should tell you something.

 

[mattman59]

Can you buy worm castings separately now? Never heard of that before.

Nope, I make them. I consider myself an uneducated scientist, I have my own little lab and dabble in everything from horticulture (creating drought resistant hybrids by breeding local native plants with "store bought" varieties using some of the more advanced hydro and aero ponic systems) to theoretical physics (had to take a few college courses for that).

I might not be changing the world but I enjoy my little experiments and one day hope to invent something, probably plant related that at the very least helps humanity.

 

[DD2008]

I am in your area and a woman I work with is showing all the symptoms. 3 confirmed cases here and the fact that I am not at all scared should tell you something.

I hear that as long as we go in and get on anti viral medication in the first couple of days hospitalization isn't likely. It's actually not that bad if people take care of themselves. However if one doesn't rest and take their meds then they are probably going to pass on.